Center of mass prob. with sigma notation, vectors

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The discussion focuses on deriving the magnitude R of the position vector \(\vec{R}\) for the center of mass using the equation \(M^{2}R^{2} = M\sum{m_{i}r^{2}_{i}} - \frac{1}{2}\sum{m_{i}m_{j}r_{ij}^{2}}\). Participants explore the process of dotting \(\vec{R}\) with itself to obtain \(R^{2}\) and the implications of summation indices in vector operations. The conversation emphasizes the need for clarity in applying summation rules alongside vector operations, particularly in the context of calculating squared magnitudes.

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Homework Statement


Prove the magnitude R of the position vector \vec{R} for the center of mass from an arbitrary point of origin is given by the equation

M^{2}R^{2} = M\sum{m_{i}r^{2}_{i} - \frac{1}{2}\sum{m_{i}m_{j}r_{ij}^{2}



Homework Equations



\vec{R} = \frac{1}{M} \sum{m_{i}\vec{r}_{i}

M=\sum{m_{i}

\vec{r}_{ij} = \vec{r}_i - \vec{r}_j

The Attempt at a Solution



OK, the simplest thing to start with is to simply dot \vec{R} with itself to get the magnitude R^{2} and then bring over M^{2} to the LHS. However, I'm not sure how to handle the dotting/squaring with the indices.

Would it be

M^{2}R^{2} = \sum{m_{i}\vec{r}_{i} \bullet \sum{m_{i}\vec{r}_{i}

OR

M^{2}R^{2} = \sum{m_{i}\vec{r}_{i} \bullet \sum{m_{j}\vec{r}_{j} ?

Can I then simplify that by bringing terms out of the summation, or the dot product inside?

My recollection of the summation rules is a bit fuzzy. Actually, I'm not sure I've used the summation notation along with vector operations before.

I've tried writing the squared magnitudes in the desired answer as dot products, too, which allowed me to do a lot of rewriting but I can't connect the givens to the answer yet.

I.e.,
r^{2}_{i} = \vec{r}_{i} \bullet\vec{r}_{i}
r^{2}_{ij} = \vec{r}_{ij} \bullet\vec{r}_{ij} = (\vec{r}_{i}-\vec{r}_{j}) \bullet (\vec{r}_{i}-\vec{r}_{j}) = \vec{r}_{i} \bullet\vec{r}_{i} - 2\vec{r}_{i} \bullet\vec{r}_{j} + \vec{r}_{j} \bullet\vec{r}_{j}
 
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Sorry that looks kind of rough, I'm no expert at TeX.
 

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