Centre of mass energy in the p+p collision

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of center of mass energy in proton-proton (p+p) collisions, specifically in the context of charged pion production as reported in a scientific paper. Participants explore various methods to derive the center of mass energy from given parameters, including the use of four-vectors and invariant mass calculations.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the calculation of center of mass energy from the provided data, seeking clarification.
  • Another participant suggests using four-vectors to calculate the invariant mass, indicating this as an exact method.
  • A different participant provides a formula relating the center of mass energy to the invariant mass and laboratory energy, presenting a specific calculation with values for mass and energy.
  • One participant reiterates the use of four-vectors and presents a formula for center of mass energy, emphasizing the context of a beam-target collision.
  • A later reply confirms understanding by detailing the four-vectors for the incoming and resting protons and deriving the relationship for invariant mass.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple approaches to calculating the center of mass energy, with no consensus on a single method or result. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most straightforward or accurate approach.

Contextual Notes

Some participants assume familiarity with special relativity and the use of four-vectors, which may limit understanding for those without that background. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of the collision setup (beam-target vs. center-of-mass).

Wenchao.Zhang
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Hi, experts
I got a very naive question.
I read the following sentence in a paper: "New results on the production of charged pions in p+p interactions are presented. The data come from a sample of 4.8 million inelastic events obtained with the NA49 detector at the CERN SPS at 158 GeV/c beam momentum". (see the abstract of DOI:10.1140/epjc/s2005-02391-9)
Then it says that the the centre of mass energy is 17.3 GeV. It is really hard for me to get this conclusion. Could sb. gives me some hint?
Best wishes
W.
 
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For a collision between two particles of equal mass M, the relationship is s = Ecm2 = 2M2 + 2M Elab where s is the usual Lorentz invariant.

So M = 1 GeV and Elab = 158 GeV gives you Ecm = √318 = 17.8 GeV
 
That's a beam target collision I suppose. Try using 4-vectos. I get the formula E_{CM}=\sqrt{2m(E_L+m)}, where ECM is the center of mass energy, EL is the Energy of the incoming proton in the LAB reference frame, and m is the mass of the proton.
 
dauto said:
That's a beam target collision I suppose. Try using 4-vectos. I get the formula E_{CM}=\sqrt{2m(E_L+m)}, where ECM is the center of mass energy, EL is the Energy of the incoming proton in the LAB reference frame, and m is the mass of the proton.
I couldn't have said it better myself. :wink:
 
Thanks for the replies. I think I got the answer. Say the four vector of the incoming proton in the lab frame is p1=(E_lab,0,0, p_z), the four vector for the rest proton is p2=(M,0,0,0), then s should be equal to (E_lab+M)^2-(p_z)^2=2M^2+2E_lab*M. Thanks a lot.
 

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