Centripetal force + uncertainty

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The discussion focuses on calculating centripetal force and its uncertainty using the formula F = (mv²) / r, with given values for mass, velocity, and radius. Participants clarify that the uncertainty in velocity must be doubled due to being squared in the formula, leading to a significant impact on the final uncertainty calculation. The initial calculations yielded a force of 69 N with an uncertainty of 0.21 N, but further discussion revealed the need to express uncertainties as percentages for accuracy. Ultimately, the correct approach involves calculating the percentage uncertainties for each variable and summing them to determine the overall uncertainty in the force. The final consensus emphasizes the importance of correctly applying uncertainty principles in physics calculations.
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Homework Statement


The centripetal force is given by F= (mv2) / r. If the mass is measured to be 2.8 +/- 0.1 kg, the velocity is 14 +/- 2 ms^-1, and the radius 8.0 +/- 0.2 m, find the force on the mass, including the uncertainty.


Homework Equations


F= (mv2) / r


The Attempt at a Solution


0.1/2.8 = .04
2/14 = .14
.2/8.0 = .025

add all up and i got .205

I did the equation and got 69 (2 sig figs) and finally got F = 69 +/- .21

Is that the proper uncertainty answer? If not please help.
 
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edit: nvm

final answer then: F = 270 +/- .21 ? (2 sig figs both)
 
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Wa1337 said:
edit: nvm

final answer then: F = 270 +/- .21 ? (2 sig figs both)

I did not say the force was wrong but you changed it; moreover, you still don't have the uncertainty right as I understand it.

I guess I'm not helping.
 
I'm sorry I kind of don't get it cause I'm really new to this stuff but my final answer without changing the force is:

F = 69 +/- 14

is that better? thanks
 
Wa1337 said:
I'm sorry I kind of don't get it cause I'm really new to this stuff but my final answer without changing the force is:

F = 69 +/- 14

is that better? thanks

You were closer in your original post.
 
Wa1337 said:

Homework Statement



The Attempt at a Solution


0.1/2.8 = .04
2/14 = .14
.2/8.0 = .025

add all up and i got .205

I did the equation and got 69 (2 sig figs) and finally got F = 69 +/- .21

Is that the proper uncertainty answer? If not please help.

Why is no one helping with this? I'm about to give him the answer as I think it is--it's really not something I do day-to-day but IAW to site I posted previously.

We are surpassing Winston Chruchill adage here "The Americans and the British are a single people divided only by a common language."
 
Well he has to get the percentage uncertainties for each of the values.

So for example, for velocity it would 2/14*100 = 14.28% (quite a large uncertainty there)

Since it's squared, the uncertainty would be double: 28.57%

Do this for each of the variables, and add up the percentages. Then your final percentage of the calculated value for force should be your uncertainty in Newtons.
 
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