Centripetal Force vs Radius: Exploring Uniform Acceleration Lab Results

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between centripetal force and radius as observed in a lab experiment involving uniform acceleration. Participants explore the implications of their experimental results, questioning the proportionality between centripetal force and radius based on their graphical data.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that their graph of centripetal force versus radius resulted in a horizontal line, suggesting a lack of direct proportionality between the two variables, contingent on the constancy of mass and period.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the axes of the graph and the constants maintained during the experiment, indicating that more details are needed to assist effectively.
  • Details of the experiment are provided, including variations in radius and velocity, but the participant does not specify which variables were kept constant.
  • Questions are raised about the relationship between tension in the string and centripetal force, with one participant asserting that tension is dependent on the mass used in the experiment.
  • Concerns are expressed regarding the validity of the results, particularly the claim of a horizontal line in the graph despite varying tension, leading to confusion about the experimental setup.
  • Another participant points out that if tension is kept constant, the relationship should be plotted differently, suggesting that the experiment may not adhere to the scientific method of isolating variables.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the experimental results and the relationship between centripetal force and radius. There is no consensus on the validity of the graph or the experimental design, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in the experimental design, including unclear definitions of constants and the relationship between variables, which remain unresolved.

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During a lab, we had to plot graph between Centripetal Force vs Radius of rubber stopper (some uniform acceleration lab) the result i got was a horizontal line. Then a question asks Based on your graph of centripetal force vs. radius of rubber stopper's motion, can you conclude that centripetal force is directly proportional to the radius of the rubber stoppers motion? Explain your answer. I'm just wondering if my answer makes sense.

Based on our graph, it states that the theoretical centripetal force is not proportional to the radius of the rubber stoppers motion. Since Fc=m.a and a=4π²r/T² then Fc=m (4π²r/T²), basically we are only graphing the Fc’s relationship to r. This statement can only be held true if the mass is constant, and T is constant. In this case, though m stays constant, T does not, and that is why the graph does not display a direct proportionality between Fc and r.
 
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What were the axes of the graph and what variables did you keep constant? What were the details of the experiment. You haven't told us enough to be able to help you yet. This is a Physics Forum, not a Psychic one. :biggrin:
 
Think about this. What was the tension in the string balanced by? Could that change? What would happen if T were greater - or less?
 
The T is dependent upon the mass at the bottom, in our case we used washers, Fg=Ft=Fc
 
So what dependent variable was staying constant during the experiment (i.e. the vertical axis)? You haven't said what were the axes on your graph.
 
the vertical axis was the Centripetal Force and Horizontal axis was the Radius
 
This does not compute for me. The centripetal force is the same as the tension in the string - which is the weight hanging on the bottom. You said that varies - so how do you get a horizontal line if the y co-ordinates (i.e. weights hanging on the string) are not all the same?
 
the y values are the same, it is that radius that is changing
 
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That makes no sense if you are plotting tension (y) against radius (x) and you say the tension is varying.
 
  • #11
no, what I'm saying is that Tension is the same but the radius is changing; also period is changing aswell.
 
  • #12
Of course you can arrange for many combinations of radius and speed which will give the same tension. The instructions you quoted included varying the tension. It would have helped if you had bothered to describe your particular experiment instead of leaving us to read that doc (as I asked at the start).
 
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The formula for the tension in the string is
T = mv2/r

If you are keeping T constant, shouldn't you be plotting r against v, rather than r against T, which you are keeping constant by adjusting v?

To yield a useful result, an experiment needs to reveal the relationship between two variables whilst all others are kept constant. Isn't that the basis of the scientific approach?
 

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