Chain Rule W/ Composite Functions

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The discussion revolves around finding the second derivative of a composite function involving derivatives of two functions, f(x) and g(x), where the first derivatives are defined in terms of each other. The problem is situated within the context of calculus, specifically focusing on the chain rule and product rule applications.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the application of the chain rule and product rule to compute the second derivative of f(x3). There are attempts to derive the expression for the second derivative, with some questioning the correctness of terms derived during the differentiation process.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing alternative approaches and corrections to previous attempts. There is recognition of potential misunderstandings regarding the application of the chain rule, and guidance is being offered to clarify these points.

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Some participants express confusion over the proper application of differentiation rules, particularly in the context of composite functions, which may lead to misinterpretations of the derivatives involved.

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Homework Statement


If d/dx(f(x)) = g(x) and d/dx(g(x)) = f(x2), then d2/dx2(f(x3)) =
a) f(x6)
b) g(x3)
c) 3x2*g(x3)
d) 9x4*f(x6) + 6x*g(x3)
e) f(x6) + g(x3)

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The Attempt at a Solution


The answer is D. Since d/dx(f(x)) = g(x), I said that d/dx(f(x3)) should equal 3x2*g(x3), then I took the derivative again and first used product rule so 6x*g(x3) + 3x2*f(x6)*6x5 since you would need to do chain rule again but that doesn't match up with the answer. I've been trying to play around with it for a while and it's just not coming out as the answer.
 
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Michele Nunes said:

Homework Statement


If d/dx(f(x)) = g(x) and d/dx(g(x)) = f(x2), then d2/dx2(f(x3)) =
a) f(x6)
b) g(x3)
c) 3x2*g(x3)
d) 9x4*f(x6) + 6x*g(x3)
e) f(x6) + g(x3)

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


The answer is D. Since d/dx(f(x)) = g(x), I said that d/dx(f(x3)) should equal 3x2*g(x3), then I took the derivative again and first used product rule so 6x*g(x3) + 3x2*f(x6)*6x5 since you would need to do chain rule again but that doesn't match up with the answer. I've been trying to play around with it for a while and it's just not coming out as the answer.
Redo the second derivative. The term 3x2*f(x6)*6x5 looks wrong.
By the product rule: ##\frac{d}{dx} 3x²g(x³)= 6xg(x³) + 3x² \frac{d}{dx} g(x³)##
 
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Samy_A said:
Redo the second derivative. The term 3x2*f(x6)*6x5 looks wrong.
Here's how I did the second derivative:
I'm taking the derivative of (3x2)*(g(x3)), and I'm going to let (3x2) = u and (g(x3)) = v
so the second derivative should look like: d2/dx2(f(x3)) = u'v + uv'
My first term came out nice: u'v = 6x*g(x3)
Now for my second term, I said that v' = f(x6)*6x5 since d/dx(g(x)) = f(x2) so I assumed that d/dx(g(x3)) would equal f((x2)3) or similarly, f(x6) and then I used chain rule for f(x6) which is why I added the 6x5 at the end
 
Michele Nunes said:
Now for my second term, I said that v' = f(x6)*6x5 since d/dx(g(x)) = f(x2) so I assumed that d/dx(g(x3)) would equal f((x2)3) or similarly, f(x6) and then I used chain rule for f(x6) which is why I added the 6x5 at the end
##\frac{d}{dx}g(x³) \neq g'(x³)##.
You are making this too complicated. Try to apply the chain rule when computing ##3x² \frac{d}{dx} g(x³)##.
 
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Samy_A said:
##\frac{d}{dx}g(x³) \neq g'(x³)##.
You are making this too complicated. Try to apply the chain rule when computing ##3x² \frac{d}{dx} g(x³)##.
Ohhh I see now. I did chain rule on the wrong term. That's why it was coming out funky. Thank you!
 

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