Change of variable - joint p.d.f

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The problem involves finding the joint probability density function (PDF) of two random variables, R and θ, derived from X and Y, which are uniformly distributed over a unit disc. The transformation from Cartesian to polar coordinates is central to the discussion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between area elements in Cartesian and polar coordinates and how this affects the joint PDF. There are attempts to validate the joint PDF as 1/π based on area considerations and the Jacobian of the transformation.

Discussion Status

Some participants express understanding and seek validation of their reasoning regarding the joint PDF. Others provide clarifications about the need to account for the Jacobian when transitioning to polar coordinates, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

There are references to the normalization of the joint PDF and the requirement for the integral of the joint PDF over the specified ranges to equal 1. The discussion includes some uncertainty about the definitions and calculations involved.

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Homework Statement



X and Y uniformly distributed on the disc:

1/pi, x^2+y^2 <=1

X=Rcos(theta), Y =Rsin(theta)

0<=R<=1, 0<=theta<=2pi

Find the joint PDF of R,theta

The Attempt at a Solution



g(R,theta)=f(x,y)*abs(jacobian)

The Jacobian is R

The joint PDF is then simply R/pi = 1/pi (since area is R^2 pi = 1 and R = 1)

Is it that simple?
 
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as X & Y are unifromly distrubted, the probability of ocurring in any area A is proportinal to A

in cartesian coordinates an area element is dx.dy so the joint pdf is
p_{X,Y}(x,y).dx.dy \propto dx.dy

in polar coordinates an area element is r.dr.d\theta so the joint pdf is
p_{R, \Theta}(r,\theta).dr.d\theta \propto r.dr.d\theta
 
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Thanks. So in the polar space, the area is R.pi where R is 1. Since this should equal 1 then each point and hence the joint PDF is 1/pi
This makes sense because we are still looking at the same area just in polar coordinates.
I'd just like to validate that the joint PDF is 1/pi. Is that the way to define it?
 
not quite - see above I was a little mroe explicit in writng out the form of the pdfs

in cartesian coords, infinitesiaml area elelment is dA = dx.dy , and the normalised joint pdf is p_{X,Y}(x,y)dxdy = \frac{1}{\pi}dx.dy

in polar coordinates you need to account for the jacobian you found. The infinitesimal area elelment is dA = r.dr.d\theta
 
Thanks a lot. Understand now. Appreciate your help
 
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no - the area of a circle is \pi r^2

an ifinitesiaml area element in polar coords dA = r.dr.d\theta

try integrating your joint pdf over r \in [0,1), \ \ \theta \in [0, 2 \pi) and see if it sums to 1
 

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