Changing weight at beam ends for different angles

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The discussion revolves around the mechanics of a beam supported at one end by a crane and fixed at the other end to a concrete slab. Participants explore how the weight distribution changes at various angles of the beam, particularly focusing on the forces at play when the beam is lifted from a horizontal to a vertical position.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the formula to determine the weights on each end of the beam at different angles, noting that at horizontal the weight is evenly distributed and at vertical all weight is on the slab.
  • Another participant asserts that the forces at each end of the beam remain constant from horizontal to approximately 88 degrees, suggesting that the values of forces V1 and V2 do not change with angle.
  • A follow-up question asks if the weight transfer only occurs past 88 degrees and requests a formula based on angle.
  • The same participant reiterates the need for clarification on weight transfer when the beam is atop another pole, seeking confirmation on the previous claims regarding force constancy.
  • A later reply confirms that the forces remain constant regardless of whether the beam is on a pole or not, emphasizing that V1 and V2 are not functions of beam angle until the tipping point is reached.
  • One participant shares a solved problem in PDF format, discussing the assumptions made about the beam being 2D and the behavior of the crane rope under tension, including the angle at which the beam falls to a stable vertical position.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the exact mechanics of weight transfer at different angles, as some participants assert that forces remain constant while others seek clarification on the conditions under which this holds true. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of weight distribution at angles between horizontal and vertical.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the analysis assumes a 2D model of the beam and that the crane rope remains vertical and in tension throughout the lifting process. There are unresolved aspects regarding the exact calculations and conditions for weight transfer at various angles.

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Hi, first time poster, sorry if this is in the wrong area or has already been asked. I'm looking at a situation like this: except that instead of being lifted via hydraulics, a crane will be attached to one end. The other end will be attached to a concrete slab via a flange, so that it does not move, but eventually allows all the weight to be transferred to the slab and the cylinder will stand vertically

I'm looking for the formula to determine the weights on each crane at different angle. Obviously when the beam is horizontal, the weights will be evenly distributed, and at vertical, all the weight will be on the bottom end/concrete slab flange. But what about in between? At 45 degrees will the bottom take 60% of the load and the crane take 40%?
 
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jrg_1411: I assume the crane cable will always be vertical, at the free end of your beam. The force on each end of your beam (V1 and V2) will always be vertical.

Throughout the lift, the value of force V1 and V2 will always remain the same as their value when the beam was horizontal. No change.

The only exception is when the beam has rotated upward beyond approximately 88 deg, past the tipping point. When you pass the tipping point, then the beam will "fall" to the vertical (90 deg) position, and the crane cable tensile force (V2) can be reduced.
 
Thanks nvn. What if the bottom end is atop another pole and transferring the weight onto it?
Is it only past 88 degrees that the weight transfers? Do you have a formula based on angle that I can use?

Cheers.
 
jrg_1411: Yes, even if the beam bottom end is sitting on top of another pole, the answer is still the same as given in post 2.

Compute the force at each end of your beam (V1 and V2) when your beam is horizontal. Afterwards, V1 and V2 remain constant for all angles throughout the lift, from 0 to approximately 88 deg. Constant means V1 and V2 are not a function of beam angle.
 
I have attached the solved problem as pdf. Hope it is what u wanted. :smile:

We have to take the beam to be 2D. This is true when diameter is not negligible. We have to do this because we are taking the beam to pivot about it's edge.

I assumed the crane rope to be always vertical and in tension (i.e.) it does not slack at any time. So, when the beam is vertical, the entire load will be taken up by the crane rope. When the rope is released, the entire load will be taken up by the ground. I have also given the angle at which the beam automatically falls to stable/vertical position when no tension rope is provided. This comes out to be between 88- 90 degrees for long beams.

cheers!
 

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