Chaos, horror, mayhem in my neighborhood

[lisab]

I can't believe it...there has just been a traffic circle built in my neighborhood. How exotic! It's just around the corner from me - the SQUARE corner.

The center of the circle is still just dirt. So far I have seen two cars dirve straight across it! Someone's going to get killed out there - what were they thinking?!?

OK, if you live in a part of the world where these are common, you can stop snickering at us now .

 

[kaisxuans]

well you could put up a sign of your own to tell people to do whas right. or you caould place a big rock there and see which fool would still try to drive across it.

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

There's one near my place. I can't believe there aren't more accidents there.

The center of the circle is still just dirt. So far I have seen two cars dirve straight across it! Someone's going to get killed out there - what were they thinking?!?

People around here drive like idiots a lot too. I think its more willful than ignorant. especially the ***holes that drive on the shoulder of the freeway in traffic.

 

[LightbulbSun]

Traffic circles are the most useless concept ever. There's three consecutive traffic circles just to the north of me. Three! It's absurd.

 

[NeoDevin]

The biggest problem with traffic circles in North America is that there are not enough of them (can't speak for the rest of the world, as I have never been there). If there were more of them, people would know how to use them properly. They are much better at maintaining the flow of traffic than an intersection, provided that everyone goes when they are supposed to. When people don't know when to go, they either go before they should, causing an accident, or hesitating, causing delay.

 

[wolram]

Roundabouts in America there is going to be mayhem, some of the ones we have are so small we have to drive across them, but this is the UK.

 

[Astronuc]

There is a street nearby where the local town government decided to control traffic by removing traffic lights and replacing them with roundabouts. It apparently works somewhat, partially because drivers avoid that street in favor of others, which means other streets are now more congested.

On the roundabouts, one can see where cars run over the curb or the circle in the middle.

 

[turbo]

Our state capitol has two traffic circles, each with 5-6 roads feeding/exiting, and they are so small that there is barely enough room to get in the circle and get back off, so they are horrible bottlenecks. Since it is the capitol, there are lots of people visiting who are unfamiliar with the town and who are unfamiliar with traffic circles. It's a mess.

 

[mgb_phys]

You ARE supposed to run over the centre of a mini roundabout ( at least in the UK)
It's there to set the rules for who gives way to who and which side you pass on.
It's also necessary in smaller roads to let trucks/buses past.

They do work much better than 4-way stops for keeping traffic flowing. It's just that in N. America they cause chaos since nobody has any idea what to do, except ex-pat Brits, and they all have to come to a stop because you don't know what the other idiot is going to do.

 

[Jimmy Snyder]

South Jersey is riddled with traffic circles. When I learned to drive, the teacher took me to several of them and taught me how to properly use them. However, over the years they have been redesigned as regular intersections. There is one just a few hundred yards from my mother's house where the conversion is just finishing up. I prefer the circles because they are quicker to pass through, and they probably save gasoline. However, the quality of teaching at our institutes of driver education has deteriorated over the years and the younger generation can't even parallel park on the highway, so how can you expect them to negotiate a circle while talking on a cell phone?

 

[JasonRox]

We have one on our school campus. I prefer them.

But like you all said, no one has got a damn clue what yield means... or merge. People know of only two concepts here... stop and go.

 

[Andre]

There is an excellent new subject for the PF photo contest. Roundabouts.

I think they are working here although there should be a minimum size and a clear obstacle in the middle, changing a square corner in a roundabout seems not a good idea.

Problem I see with them is they seem to favor the main traffic flow. Quite impossible to get in between.

 

[danben]

you're talking about roundabouts?

when people actually know the road rules, they are great, and ease congestion

 

[cristo]

OK, if you live in a part of the world where these are common, you can stop snickering at us now .

Roundabouts are a great invention, so long as people know the rules! It would save on so many stop signs, and mean that you don't have to stop all the time and have those awkward standoffs at stop signs! You just drive up to the roundabout, give way to the right, and go (or left, if we're talking about your crazy country!). I was once in the car with my gf in the US and we came upto a roundabout. She immediately said "omg, a traffic circle.. I hate these things.." and proceeded to nervously approach it. I had to talk her through what to do.. look to the left; if it's clear then you can go. Needless to say, I found this quite amusing!

 

[matthyaouw]

Oh my god, something new! We cannot allow this to exist!

They work. Get used to them

 

[fuzzyfelt]

I love driving over the cobbled mini-roundabouts in the U.K., oh and parking on either side of the road facing whichever way (something forbidden where I come from), gives a good feeling of legal mischief.

 

[Borek]

Roundabouts are OK to some traffic level, then they stop working. But in many places they work wonders.

That's if you have IQ high enough to use them

 

[Alfi]

Roundabouts work better with polite people.

I think they tend to fail with aggressive drivers faster than just higher traffic levels.

 

[Moonbear]

The biggest problem with traffic circles in North America is that there are not enough of them (can't speak for the rest of the world, as I have never been there). If there were more of them, people would know how to use them properly. They are much better at maintaining the flow of traffic than an intersection, provided that everyone goes when they are supposed to. When people don't know when to go, they either go before they should, causing an accident, or hesitating, causing delay.

South Jersey is riddled with traffic circles. When I learned to drive, the teacher took me to several of them and taught me how to properly use them. However, over the years they have been redesigned as regular intersections. There is one just a few hundred yards from my mother's house where the conversion is just finishing up. I prefer the circles because they are quicker to pass through, and they probably save gasoline. However, the quality of teaching at our institutes of driver education has deteriorated over the years and the younger generation can't even parallel park on the highway, so how can you expect them to negotiate a circle while talking on a cell phone?

I think both are good points. Part of the problem is lack of familiarity since there aren't very many of them. I grew up with traffic circles nearby and never thought much of it. But, yeah, as more people moved into the area unfamiliar with them, it started turning into a nightmare. They'd never merge in out of fear and block up traffic, or would get into the center lane and then try to cut across to their exit right where others were trying to merge, etc. I think my uncle's towing business grew considerably due to accidents in that circle.

The last time I visited the area, they'd replaced it with a confusing maze of overpasses and jughandles and traffic lights. I thought the circle was easier...at least if I missed my turn, I could just go around one more time.

There is a street nearby where the local town government decided to control traffic by removing traffic lights and replacing them with roundabouts. It apparently works somewhat, partially because drivers avoid that street in favor of others, which means other streets are now more congested.

I guess that's another approach...just get people to avoid a road.

Of course, I'm in a town that has another interesting concept that challenges those who are unfamiliar with it. Center turn lanes shared for drivers on both sides of the road to use for left turns. What you're SUPPOSED to do, is just get in the lane when you approach your turn so you're not blocking traffic while sitting and waiting for an opening to make your left turn. What people ACTUALLY do is use it as another lane to get around traffic for a couple hundred yards before turning, and then collide with the person coming from the other direction doing the same thing to get to turns on the other side of each other. Oh, the other fun thing people do is when I'm already sitting in the turn lane waiting to make a left turn, and they want to pull into the driveway behind me that I've just passed, they pull up nose-to-nose with my car to make their turn rather than pull in right behind me where the driveway is they want to turn into. I usually give them a "Are you brain dead?!" shrug and gesture. And the BEST one yet is when they pull up like this, then realize now neither of us can turn, so to get around me, drive on the WRONG side of the road rather than getting back to their side and going around and pulling back into the turn lane. I think the towing companies and body shops here LOVE the out-of-state students.

 

[BobG]

Americans don't do very well on roundabouts.

Growing up, I only remember two - one a circle with a very large radius (Tallmadge Circle) and one with a very small radius. The large one was more dangerous, but that's because it was a major intersection of about 6 or 8 roads (the little towns around Akron were notorious for 6 way intersections, but I think this one was actually 8).

Or, you could do what Colorado Springs did. They just stuck a huge statue in the middle of a 4-way intersection. No one knows whether it's a 4-way intersection with a statue stuck in the middle of it or an extremely small roundabout. Either way, it's always near the top of the list for most dangerous intersection in the city.

Roundabouts are hell for American military people when they're first stationed overseas. The bases would constantly warn their people about the roundabouts and always include a little piece on them in orientation for new people. In spite of that, the accident rates for people on station for 6 months or less was incredibly high. Every base seemed to have a smaller roundabout somewhere in the local area that earned the nickname, "The Circle of Death".

 

[NeoDevin]

I kid you not, in my city there is (at least) one traffic circle (roundabout for you brits) with traffic lights. I'm not sure who came up with this idea, but it must be one of the stupidest ideas I have ever seen. All the drawbacks of a traffic circle (stupid people unsure when they should go) combined with delays waiting for lights to change.

 

[Andre]

Another point is bicycles, In Holland many roundabouts do have bicycle lanes on the outside of the roundabout. And to make things easy, outside the towns, the cars have right of way but inside the towns, the bikes have right of way. But it is defitinitely for the advanced and experienced drivers to have eyes everywhere and avoid hitting bikes.

 

[Jimmy Snyder]

I kid you not, in my city there is (at least) one traffic circle (roundabout for you brits) with traffic lights. I'm not sure who came up with this idea, but it must be one of the stupidest ideas I have ever seen. All the drawbacks of a traffic circle (stupid people unsure when they should go) combined with delays waiting for lights to change.

Would that be Logan Square (I kid you neither) in Philadelphia?

 

[NeoDevin]

Would that be Logan Square (I kid you neither) in Philadelphia?

Nope, I'm up North in Edmonton.

 

[edward]

Of course, I'm in a town that has another interesting concept that challenges those who are unfamiliar with it. Center turn lanes shared for drivers on both sides of the road to use for left turns. What you're SUPPOSED to do, is just get in the lane when you approach your turn so you're not blocking traffic while sitting and waiting for an opening to make your left turn. What people ACTUALLY do is use it as another lane to get around traffic for a couple hundred yards before turning, and then collide with the person coming from the other direction doing the same thing to get to turns on the other side of each other. Oh, the other fun thing people do is when I'm already sitting in the turn lane waiting to make a left turn, and they want to pull into the driveway behind me that I've just passed, they pull up nose-to-nose with my car to make their turn rather than pull in right behind me where the driveway is they want to turn into. I usually give them a "Are you brain dead?!" shrug and gesture. And the BEST one yet is when they pull up like this, then realize now neither of us can turn, so to get around me, drive on the WRONG side of the road rather than getting back to their side and going around and pulling back into the turn lane. I think the towing companies and body shops here LOVE the out-of-state students.

We have a lot of the center turn lanes here in Tucson. They are commonly referred to as suicide lanes.

We are starting to get traffic circles, especially at intersections within neighborhoods. They do slow traffic down without really causing delays. Seattle calls them traffic calming circles.

People here don't know how to use them. A lot of people pull up to the circle and stop, then treat it like a four way stop. Treating the circle as a four way stop means of course that they yield to the vehicle on the right and get hit by a vehicle coming around the circle on their left

 

[lisab]

Coming back from the gym this morning, I was behind a Lexus sedan. When it was about 100 meters from the traffic circle, it slowed waaaaay down. Came up to the circle and stopped.

Ten full seconds went by. Then, he turned on his left blinker.

I was cracking up and yelling (he couldn't hear me), "No! Don't do it! You can't turn left...go AROUND the circle!" I was dying with laughter!

The driver sat and watched traffic...finally realized he couldn't go left, so he slooooowly entered the circle. I followed him in and took the next exit, but watched him in my rearview mirror. He circled around and exited...on the same road he came in on !

I imagine as he drove away from the circle he asked himself, "Whoa...what just happened?!?"

 

[edward]

This traffic circle in Angola, Indiana has been in constant use since before there were automobiles. There is a Civil war monument in the center and the folks back there refused to move it to make way for a modern intersection.

In my youth I zipped around this circle a thousand times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Angola-indiana-panorama.jpg

 

[edward]

Ah Ha traffic circles are considered to be a traffic calming device (along with speed bumps).

Install your own traffic calming device and confuse your neighbors. Just think of the fun you can have . Invite your friends to watch the mayhem, installation instructions included.

http://www.trafficlogix.com/traffic-circles.asp

 

[scorpa]

I kid you not, in my city there is (at least) one traffic circle (roundabout for you brits) with traffic lights. I'm not sure who came up with this idea, but it must be one of the stupidest ideas I have ever seen. All the drawbacks of a traffic circle (stupid people unsure when they should go) combined with delays waiting for lights to change.

AHHH That 118 Avenue monstrosity! God I hate that thing. I am from a farm, we don't even have stop signs where I am from and when I first moved up I found myself in that damn thing! I am fine with it now but that first time I was terrified. I was just going to bring that circle up but you beat me to it.

 

[GeorginaS]

Nope, I'm up North in Edmonton.

How did I know you were going to say that? The 118 Ave. traffic circle with stoplights is absurd.

And speaking of, yes, I think traffic circles are far more effective at maintaining traffic flow at high-volume intersections. I also agree that teaching people to use them properly is a high priority for making it all work.

 

[lisab]

How did I know you were going to say that? The 118 St traffic circle with stoplights is absurd.

Georgina, are you Canadian?

 

[NeoDevin]

AHHH That 118 Avenue monstrosity! God I hate that thing. I am from a farm, we don't even have stop signs where I am from and when I first moved up I found myself in that damn thing! I am fine with it now but that first time I was terrified. I was just going to bring that circle up but you beat me to it.

How did I know you were going to say that? The 118 Ave. traffic circle with stoplights is absurd.

I think we need to raise this issue during the next municipal election (when is that, btw?)

 

[NeoDevin]

For anyone who has not had the pleasure of witnessing this stupidity first hand, tune your google Earth to 53°34'13.00"N 113°32'57.88"W You can barely make out the traffic lights.

And since we are already looking at the idiocy in my city in google earth, the proper way to create an intersection of more than 2 streets is with a traffic circle, like at 53°31'29.88"N 113°27'27.08"W never with traffic lights like at 53°32'43.08"N 113°28'43.62"W

 

[GeorginaS]

Georgina, are you Canadian?

I am so.

I think we need to raise this issue during the next municipal election (when is that, btw?)

I thought we'd elected Mandel Mayor For Life. But, can we get through the federal one first, please?

 

[cristo]

I kid you not, in my city there is (at least) one traffic circle (roundabout for you brits) with traffic lights. I'm not sure who came up with this idea, but it must be one of the stupidest ideas I have ever seen. All the drawbacks of a traffic circle (stupid people unsure when they should go) combined with delays waiting for lights to change.

Roundabouts with traffic lights on are quite common around here, especially on the big ones that have motorway slip lanes as one of the exits. Sometimes they are only active during the busiest times of the day, but I think it makes sense to have roundabouts with traffic lights as opposed to a normal crossroads with traffic lights in these big cases because, more often than not, there are way more than four exits, and also you don't have to turn right across lanes of traffic.

 

[Borek]

Plenty of those (roundabouts with lights) in Warsaw as well. Some are monstrous (especially the one at 52°15'17.14"N 20°58'57.15"E is my favorite, with tramways, lots of pedestrians and a huge shopping mall NE of the roundabout), but many (like this one: 52°13'47.48"N 21°00'42.04"E) make wonders to traffic. Sure, they get clogged during peak hours, but you can't do anything about it. Unless you close city center for cars

 

[porums]

Plenty of those (roundabouts with lights) in Warsaw as well. Some are monstrous (especially the one at 52°15'17.14"N 20°58'57.15"E is my favorite, with tramways, lots of pedestrians and a huge shopping mall NE of the roundabout), but many (like this one: 52°13'47.48"N 21°00'42.04"E) make wonders to traffic. Sure, they get clogged during peak hours, but you can't do anything about it. Unless you close city center for cars

In my country, people tend to go by bus, but some taxi companies predict the future of transporter is taxi, they are adding several more. But its ok, taxi is not the only business they are doing; there are agriculture related stuff, farming, raising cattles...etc. They have a big farm for pigs near my grandmom's house.
They also have a banking system, which is what I am most scared, believe me! Their other sons and sons inlaw are into computer chips, tools, programming and book businesses. I am not mentioning the online hooking systems they were/are building around the web just yet!

 

[jtbell]

My heart goes out to anybody who has to deal with this roundabout.

 

[cristo]

My heart goes out to anybody who has to deal with this roundabout.

Haha.. that looks amazing! Imagine seeing this roadsign for the first time as you approach the "magic roundabout"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Magic_Roundabout_Schild_db.jpg

 

[Jimmy Snyder]

Imagine seeing this roadsign for the first time as you approach the "magic roundabout"

Fructose. Sweet.

 

[Borek]

My heart goes out to anybody who has to deal with this roundabout.

I have no problems with roundabouts, but this one bites me. It is not only convoluted, but it also goes CW instead of CCW, which makes it completely indigestible.

 

[cristo]

I have no problems with roundabouts, but this one bites me. It is not only convoluted, but it also goes CW instead of CCW, which makes it completely indigestible.

Roundabouts in the UK are meant to go clockwise, but I get what you mean. The mini roundabouts on the outside are correct, but the internal roundabout goes the wrong way!

 

[Borek]

Roundabouts in the UK are meant to go clockwise

And that's what is wrong with this funny island of yours

 

[jtbell]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Magic_Roundabout_Schild_db.jpg

If I saw a sign like that, I'd make a U-turn and go home.

 

[BobG]

Coming back from the gym this morning, I was behind a Lexus sedan. When it was about 100 meters from the traffic circle, it slowed waaaaay down. Came up to the circle and stopped.

Ten full seconds went by. Then, he turned on his left blinker.

I was cracking up and yelling (he couldn't hear me), "No! Don't do it! You can't turn left...go AROUND the circle!" I was dying with laughter!

The driver sat and watched traffic...finally realized he couldn't go left, so he slooooowly entered the circle. I followed him in and took the next exit, but watched him in my rearview mirror. He circled around and exited...on the same road he came in on !

I imagine as he drove away from the circle he asked himself, "Whoa...what just happened?!?"

This traffic circle in Angola, Indiana has been in constant use since before there were automobiles. There is a Civil war monument in the center and the folks back there refused to move it to make way for a modern intersection.

In my youth I zipped around this circle a thousand times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Angola-indiana-panorama.jpg

You'd a think a driver would be able to figure out the pattern and decide which exit out of the roundabout he wanted after about 5 or 6 times around the circle. I guess some people are just slow learners.

My heart goes out to anybody who has to deal with this roundabout.

Why are so many of the lines wavy? And what are those things next to the mini-circles; beer mugs? Is that roundabout some kind of college drinking game?

 

[tribdog]

Why are so many of the lines wavy? And what are those things next to the mini-circles; beer mugs? Is that roundabout some kind of college drinking game?

You have to roll a six to exit.

 

[GeorginaS]

Roundabouts with traffic lights on are quite common around here, especially on the big ones that have motorway slip lanes as one of the exits. Sometimes they are only active during the busiest times of the day, but I think it makes sense to have roundabouts with traffic lights as opposed to a normal crossroads with traffic lights in these big cases because, more often than not, there are way more than four exits, and also you don't have to turn right across lanes of traffic.

And that makes the world of sense, cristo, when you have a huge roundabout and lots of exits. The one we're talking about is a plain old four-way intersection. Nothing fancy, nothing confusing, no multi-exit stuff. It's seriously goofy. The other roundabouts work perfectly well without lights.

 

[NeoDevin]

The other roundabouts work perfectly well without lights.

Or they would if people knew how to use them, this morning I got caught behind six cars on the 107th ave one who all decided to stop. Two of them tried to treat it as a 4-way stop, and seemed to think they had the right of way over the traffic coming around the circle.

 

[cristo]

Or they would if people knew how to use them, this morning I got caught behind six cars on the 107th ave one who all decided to stop. Two of them tried to treat it as a 4-way stop, and seemed to think they had the right of way over the traffic coming around the circle.

Do you not get taught who has the right of way at a roundabout in your driving lessons/test? If you're in a state that actually has roundabouts, then surely you should be taught how to drive on them?!

 

[NeoDevin]

Do you not get taught who has the right of way at a roundabout in your driving lessons/test? If you're in a state that actually has roundabouts, then surely you should be taught how to drive on them?!

I was taught during my driving lessons, but not on my test. Depending where you take your lessons/test, you may or may not be anywhere near a traffic circle.

PS. Canada has provinces, not states.