Charged particle movement close to single charged plate

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the behavior of negatively charged water droplets approaching a negatively charged metal plate, specifically focusing on the electrostatic forces involved and how to calculate them. The context includes experimental setup, theoretical calculations, and comparisons to established experiments like Millikan's oil drop experiment.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes an experiment involving a negatively charged plate and negatively charged water droplets, questioning whether the electrostatic force will be sufficient to deflect the droplets.
  • Another participant explains that the electric force on a droplet can be calculated as the droplet's charge multiplied by the electric field of the plate, which can be derived from the plate's voltage.
  • A participant raises a concern about calculating the electric field for a single charged plate, contrasting it with the established method for parallel plates used in Millikan's experiment.
  • Further discussion includes the implications of removing one plate from a charged parallel plate capacitor and how that might affect the electric field, with uncertainty expressed about the resulting field strength.
  • There is mention of the assumption that the test charge's influence on the plate's charge distribution may be negligible, but this assumption is questioned.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the calculation of the electric field from a single plate and whether the assumptions made about charge interactions hold true. Multiple competing views remain on how to approach the problem.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the specific charge of the droplets, the distance from the plate, and the assumptions regarding charge buildup on the plate. The discussion does not resolve how to accurately calculate the electric field for a single plate.

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Hi everybody.
I am a mechanical engineer trying to do an electrical experiment.
I wonder if anybody can help me with an advice.

Here is my experiment. I have a single rectangular metal plate to which I apply a known high negative voltage DC. Not sure yet what that voltage is going to be. Let's say 10kV. Next, I bombard the plate with negatively charged water droplets flying into the plate at 200 miles per hour. Here is my question. Will electrostatic force between the plate and the droplets be high enough to deflect the droplets away from the plate ? The droplet diameter is let's say 20 microns. I do not know yet its charge but I am pretty sure I will be able to vary it.

Is there any way to calculate the electrostatic force applied to the droplet as it approaches the plate ?

Thank you
 
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pchama1 said:
Hi everybody.
I have a single rectangular metal plate to which I apply a known high negative voltage DC. Not sure yet what that voltage is going to be. Let's say 10kV. Next, I bombard the plate with negatively charged water droplets flying into the plate at 200 miles per hour. Here is my question. Will electrostatic force between the plate and the droplets be high enough to deflect the droplets away from the plate ? The droplet diameter is let's say 20 microns. I do not know yet its charge but I am pretty sure I will be able to vary it.

Is there any way to calculate the electrostatic force applied to the droplet as it approaches the plate ?

Thank you

The electric force experienced by a droplet will just be the droplet's excess charge multiplied by the plate's electric field. The plate's electric field can be calculated from its voltage, provided your drop is coming into the middle of the plate's surface and you're not too far away from the plate. For the other information, such as your droplet's diameter, etc., and how they factor into the experiment, I suggest you Google (or read about) Millikan's oil drop experiment. You'll find useful formulas relating droplet diameter and drag, etc., there.
 
GRDixon said:
The electric force experienced by a droplet will just be the droplet's excess charge multiplied by the plate's electric field. The plate's electric field can be calculated from its voltage, provided your drop is coming into the middle of the plate's surface and you're not too far away from the plate. For the other information, such as your droplet's diameter, etc., and how they factor into the experiment, I suggest you Google (or read about) Millikan's oil drop experiment. You'll find useful formulas relating droplet diameter and drag, etc., there.

Thank you GRDixon. In Millikan's experiment he used two plates parallel to each other. It is easy to calculate the electric field for two plates. But how to obtain an electric field for a single blade given the know voltage applied?
 
pchama1 said:
Thank you GRDixon. In Millikan's experiment he used two plates parallel to each other. It is easy to calculate the electric field for two plates. But how to obtain an electric field for a single blade given the know voltage applied?

What if a parallel plate capacitor were charged up using a battery, and the plates were then isolated from the battery terminals. As you state, you know how to calculate the electric field between the plates. Now remove one of the plates a large distance away. Would the electric field from the remaining plate be half of what it is with both plates in place? I'm not sure. In any case, in my first answer I assumed that the test charge was relatively insignificant, and wouldn't result in a buildup of opposite-sign charge on the single plate. If this assumption isn't good, you'd have to use the method of images to calculate the E field between the test charge and the plate. Sorry I can't be of more help. I did a cursory walkthrough of a couple of texts, and didn't find any discussion of the E field of a single plate, raised to a potential V.
 

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