Check if the following functions are differentiable

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The discussion revolves around determining the differentiability of two functions involving absolute values: \( f(x) = |(x-1)^{2}(x+1)^{3}| \) and \( f(x) = |x^{2}-\pi^{2}|\sin^{2}x \). Participants are exploring the conditions under which these functions are differentiable, particularly focusing on points where the absolute value may affect differentiability.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants question the conditions for differentiability and the definition of the derivative. Some suggest checking specific points or intervals where the functions may not be differentiable due to the absolute value. Others propose plotting the functions to gain insights into their behavior.

Discussion Status

There is a mix of attempts to clarify the concept of differentiability and the implications of absolute value on the functions. Some participants suggest that the functions are differentiable except at isolated points and encourage checking these points. Guidance has been offered regarding the piecewise nature of absolute value functions and how to approach the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the absolute value function has a piecewise definition, which may complicate the analysis of differentiability. There is also a mention of needing to consider cases for the first function to facilitate calculations.

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Homework Statement


Check if the following functions f : ℝ → ℝ are differentiable:
[itex]\displaystyle f(x)=|(x-1)^{2}(x+1)^{3}|[/itex]

[itex]\displaystyle f(x)=|x^{2}-\pi^{2}|sin^{2}x[/itex]

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The Attempt at a Solution


I don't know what the condition should be, I've searched a lot of topics concerning this problem but they all contain reference to some points or intervals at which it should be checked.
That's why I have no idea how to start and what definition has to be used.

Thanks in advance!
 
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Do you know what a derivative is?
What it means for the derivative to exist at a point?

Notice that these are absolute value functions.
What does that do to the values?
Have you tried plotting any of them?
 
They are "obviously" differentiable, except at a set of isolated points. Check those points. Show that the limit at x (from the definition of the derivative) does not exist. You can show this by noting that if a limit exists, it is unique.
 
Harrisonized said:
They are "obviously" differentiable, except at a set of isolated points. Check those points. Show that the limit at x (from the definition of the derivative) does not exist. You can show this by noting that if a limit exists, it is unique.

After hours of reading I finally got to that, but the problem now is how to divide [itex]\displaystyle f(x)=|(x-1)^{2}(x+1)^{3}|[/itex] into cases so that it'd be so easily calculated as eg. [itex]|x-2|[/itex] where we have 2 cases - for x > 2 and x < 2, then make the derivative of both functions and check whether it's the same or not.
 
If you square something, it's always positive, so you can remove the absolute value sign.
 
Pole said:

Homework Statement


Check if the following functions f : ℝ → ℝ are differentiable:
[itex]\displaystyle f(x)=|(x-1)^{2}(x+1)^{3}|[/itex]

[itex]\displaystyle f(x)=|x^{2}-\pi^{2}|\sin^{2}x[/itex]

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


I don't know what the condition should be, I've searched a lot of topics concerning this problem but they all contain reference to some points or intervals at which it should be checked.
That's why I have no idea how to start and what definition has to be used.

Thanks in advance!
Hello Pole . Welcome to PF !

Have you learned about the differentiability of any broad classes of functions, such as polynomials, sinusoidal (sin(x) & cos(x)) functions, exponential functions, etc. ?

The absolute value function, |x|, has a piecewise definition, so when it is combined with other functions, you should check at those places at which the function is 'pieced together' .
 
Harrisonized said:
If you square something, it's always positive, so you can remove the absolute value sign.
Almost right. Actually, if you square something, it's always non-negative (it can be zero), so you can remove the absolute value sign.

So, the first function can be written as:
[itex]f(x)=(x-1)^2\left|(x+1)^3\right|[/itex]​
The piecewise definition of the absolute value function is:
[itex]\displaystyle |x|=\left\{\matrix{x\,,\text{ if }\ x\ge0\\<br /> -x\,,\text{ if }\ x<0} \right.[/itex]​
 

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