Checking the Gains of the Given Circuit

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem related to analyzing the gain of a specific electrical circuit. Participants are exploring methods to evaluate the circuit's gain, discussing various approaches to solving the problem, and seeking clarification on circuit components and their relationships.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires whether to set certain resistors to zero, referencing an example solution provided by their professor.
  • Another participant suggests that understanding the circuit operation is crucial before making assumptions about resistor values.
  • There is a discussion about whether R3 is in parallel with R2 and R4, with a clarification that certain properties of op-amps allow for a specific consideration of R2 and R3.
  • Participants discuss writing KCL equations for nodes in the circuit to derive relationships between voltages and resistances.
  • There is a back-and-forth about algebraic manipulations involving R3, with one participant questioning the legality of eliminating R3 from the denominator.
  • Participants explore the concept of conductance as the inverse of resistance and discuss the possibility of deriving gain using conductances instead of resistances.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the approach to solving the problem, with some suggesting specific algebraic manipulations while others caution against certain moves. There is no clear consensus on the best method to proceed, and multiple viewpoints on the circuit analysis remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific circuit components and their configurations, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the circuit's behavior under different conditions. The discussion includes various interpretations of the problem statement and example solutions.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and individuals interested in electrical engineering concepts, circuit analysis, and gain calculations may find this discussion beneficial.

  • #31
gneill said:
Nope. Go back to the original post, and the circuit in the second attachment that I was referring to with that comment :smile:

Oops, I was looking at the wrong diagram? Then that explains why your analysis seemed awry!
 
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  • #32
gneill said:
For (a) it's not the sign of G1 that matters, it's the sign of the gain. G1's sign is positive because it's just a common conductance (unit of conductance is Siemans = 1/Ohms, usually designated S = 1/Ω). In other words, the sign is associated with the gain, not anyone component value.

For (e) the units are fine: S2/S2, so the proposed gain is unitless as required. I would say that this result is plausible, if incorrect :smile:

I understand what you've said about (a), but not (e) - how can it be considered plausible if the terms in the denominator aren't correct? :confused:
 
  • #33
NHLspl09 said:
I understand what you've said about (a), but not (e) - how can it be considered plausible if the terms in the denominator aren't correct? :confused:

It's plausible because, without doing the circuit analysis to check its details, the expression contains no errors in the form of addition of unlike units and it yields a unitless result as required; it looks like it might be a gain expression for some circuit (if not this one!).

Note that there's a vast gulf between "plausible" and "is". :smile:
 
  • #34
gneill said:
It's plausible because, without doing the circuit analysis to check its details, the expression contains no errors in the form of addition of unlike units and it yields a unitless result as required; it looks like it might be a gain expression for some circuit (if not this one!).

Note that there's a vast gulf between "plausible" and "is". :smile:

Ahhhh ok now I understand what you meant in saying it's plausible! :biggrin:
 

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