Chemicals coded to leave a cell and then come back?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of proteins or biochemicals that can leave a cell, perform a function, and then return to the cell. Participants explore examples from cellular processes, particularly focusing on proteins and ions involved in signaling and transport mechanisms.

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  • One participant questions whether proteins or biochemicals can be coded to leave a cell and return, seeking examples or thoughts on the matter.
  • Another participant mentions sodium and potassium ions in neuronal action potentials as a relevant example of ions that move in and out of cells.
  • A participant suggests that while ions can leave and return, proteins typically do not do so in the same manner, proposing extracellular proteins that may be degraded and recycled as a potential example.
  • Membrane proteins are noted as being exposed to the outside of the cell but are not considered to leave the cell entirely, as they remain part of the membrane.
  • Neurotransmitters are highlighted as a relevant example, being released from presynaptic neurons, binding to receptors, and then being reabsorbed, with a mention of SSRIs affecting this process.
  • Transferrin is proposed as a protein that fits the description, being secreted from cells, binding iron, and then being taken back into cells via its receptor, although it remains anchored to the membrane when outside the cell.
  • A participant confirms that transferrin aligns with the original inquiry about proteins that leave and return to the cell.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of agreement on the examples provided, particularly regarding neurotransmitters and transferrin. However, there is no consensus on whether proteins can fully leave the cell in the same way as ions, indicating ongoing uncertainty and exploration of the topic.

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Some participants note the distinction between proteins that are merely exposed on the cell surface and those that can leave the cell entirely. The discussion also highlights the complexity of cellular mechanisms and the conditions under which certain proteins or ions operate.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying cellular biology, biochemistry, or neuroscience, particularly in understanding the dynamics of protein and ion transport across cell membranes.

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Is there such a thing of a protein (or some other biochemical) being coded to leave the cell, do something (or not) and then return for another function in the cell? Or in some way go "in and out" throughout its existence?

Or at the least that would "take a leave of absence" and then become active again?

Any thoughts appreciated!
 
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Ah of course! Thank you!
 
Can't think of any proteins that do this off the top of my head.
Certainly ions come and go, but they are not proteins.

A possible protein going out of a cell and returning might be a extracellular protein that stays around the location the cell it can from once it is outside (perhaps an extracellular matrix protein) and is then for some reason degraded as the matrix gets changed. The degraded parts might re-enter the cell and get recycled. Probably not what you were thinking.

Membrane proteins are frequently exposed to the outside of the cell (but still in the cell membrane) and then brought back in by forming vesicles from the surface membrane. These have real functions in and outside of the cell.
However, I would not really consider them outside (as in detached and floating around).

Seems unlikely that any signalling molecule (hormone or transmitter of some kind) would would ever have a reason to con back to the signally source and get inside the cell. However, they could bind to outside receptors to provide feedback on their outside concentrations.
 
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That is super helpful BillTre, thank you!
 
Neurotransmitters are frequently released from presynaptic neurons, bind to postsynaptic neural receptors to trigger an action potential, and are then released and reabsorbed into the presynaptic neuron. In fact, a large class of antidepressant drugs (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or SSRIs) are designed to regulate this function.
 
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On the protein side, transferrin could fit the description. Transferrin is an iron-biding protein produced inside of the cell then secreted into the blood, where it helps bind iron ions and regulate iron levels. Transferrin can then bind to the transferrin receptor on cells, which triggers both the receptor and the transferrin to be brought into the cell. The transferrin receptor and other similar receptor proteins could also fit the description because they cycle between the inside of the cell and the outside (though on the outside of the cell, they are still anchored to the plasma membrane, so they don't quite leave the cell).

For a nice diagram of how transferrin & the transferrin receptor are cycled between the inside and outside of the cell to mediate cellular iron uptake, here's a useful figure:
The-transferrin-cycle-and-the-transferrin-receptor-1-mediated-cellular-iron-uptake_W640.jpg

https://file.scirp.org/Html/10-8901284_21593.htm
 

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Transferrin totally hits the mark! Thank you @Ygggdrasil!
 
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