Choosing the right professor to work with

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the experience of undergraduate students in research positions, specifically focusing on the dynamics of working with professors and the mentorship they provide. Participants explore the challenges of first-time research roles, the expectations of mentorship, and the implications for future academic recommendations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses dissatisfaction with their current professor's level of engagement, noting that they only interact when asking questions or providing updates.
  • Another participant suggests that finding a supportive graduate student or postdoc may be more beneficial than relying solely on the professor for mentorship.
  • Some participants indicate that it is common for professors to have limited availability for undergraduates and that regular meetings can provide necessary guidance.
  • There is a sentiment that significant achievements are not expected in a first research position, and that learning and diligence are more important.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of communicating difficulties to the supervisor to receive appropriate feedback.
  • Another participant reassures that professors understand the challenges faced by first-time researchers and may still provide positive references based on effort and engagement.
  • A later reply clarifies that the participant reports to a scientist who in turn reports to the supervising professor, raising questions about the mentorship structure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the level of mentorship from professors may vary and that it is common for undergraduates to have limited direct interaction. However, there are differing views on the adequacy of this arrangement and the expectations for mentorship.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the experience of mentorship can depend on the specific lab environment and the individual professor's approach, which may not be universally applicable.

Who May Find This Useful

Undergraduate students considering research positions, those seeking advice on mentorship dynamics, and individuals interested in the academic recommendation process may find this discussion relevant.

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I'm a chem e undergrad btw. The professor I work for right now does his own stuff most of the time. the only times I'm in contact with him are the times I have a question, or I'm updating him with results.

This is my first research position, and I made a lot of mistakes in terms of organization and time management. I think it would have been better for me if my professor worked in the same lab as I do. Again, this is my first research job so I have no frame of reference.

I will need to get 2 letters of rec eventually for grad school, and I don't think I will be getting one from this professor, mainly because I don't think I've proven much. It was a learning experience though.

Give me any advice you know, and be as specific as you can. For example, what do you mean when you say "find a professor that mentors you." Technically, they all mentor you. Please be specific.

thanks
 
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Most professors are not going to be able to spend much time mentoring undergraduates and giving them any guidance. Instead, I'd say that the most important thing is to find a helpful and knowledgeable graduate student or postdoc in the lab who is willing to help guide you.
 
Based on what you've said, you have a fairly typical arrangement. Most professors won't babysit the students that work for them 24/7. Rather (in good scenarios anyway) they will establish regular meetings (say once per week) where you give updates on your progress and they offer guidance. The good ones are also available on a regular, reliable basis for informal discussions.

Also, I don't think it's fair to expect to make major advances in a first research position. Be diligent in your approach and learn as much as you can. Make sure you discuss your difficulties with your supervisor so that he or she is informed on where you are stumped. Solicit specific feedback. And remember, the simple fact that you're in that person's lab, working for him or her and making an honest effort is usually enough to get a decent reference letter.
 
mrund3rd09 said:
I'm a chem e undergrad btw. The professor I work for right now does his own stuff most of the time. the only times I'm in contact with him are the times I have a question, or I'm updating him with results.

That's how research works. I don't think that you'll find a professor who does it much different. I know it takes some adjusting the first time you'll do research, but try to learn from it. The more you get used to the situation now, the better you'll do in the future.

I will need to get 2 letters of rec eventually for grad school, and I don't think I will be getting one from this professor, mainly because I don't think I've proven much. It was a learning experience though.

You'll be surprised how well you did! Don't expect to invent some groundbreaking stuff the first time. Your professor might be impressed because you did so much work on your own, because you were willing to work,...
Your professor knows very well how hard the first time research can be. So I'm sure that he'll make he's conclusions based on that fact!
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actually, It's a scientist that I report to. And this scientist reports to the professor that supervises me.

I don't know if that changes anything..
 

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