Circuit Analysis of a Positive Offset Clamping Diode Circuit

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The discussion revolves around the analysis of a positive offset clamping diode circuit, focusing on the behavior of capacitor voltage (VC), output voltage (VO), and diode voltage (VD) in response to a 20 Vpp triangle wave input. Participants explore the theoretical and practical aspects of the circuit's operation, including initial conditions and waveform characteristics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their understanding of the clamper circuit, noting that the output voltage begins at +2V and the capacitor voltage at -2V, but struggles to derive these values analytically.
  • Another participant suggests using simulation software to observe circuit behavior, emphasizing the importance of understanding initial conditions and steady-state behavior.
  • A participant questions the validity of assuming the capacitor is fully discharged at DC steady state, leading to confusion about the voltage across the capacitor at that moment.
  • There is a discussion about the behavior of the diode during different phases of the input waveform, with one participant stating that when the input is at its negative peak, the diode is on, and the capacitor charges to a specific voltage.
  • Another participant confirms that the output voltage during the positive peak is calculated based on the charged capacitor voltage and the diode drop, leading to a discussion about the expected output values.
  • Participants share waveform graphs, prompting questions about their features and whether they align with expectations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of the circuit behavior, particularly regarding initial conditions and the role of the diode. While some points are clarified, there remains uncertainty about the implications of the capacitor's voltage and the overall circuit dynamics.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their understanding of basic circuit concepts, particularly regarding the definitions of "discharged" and steady-state conditions. There are unresolved questions about the analytical derivation of voltages and the behavior of the circuit over time.

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This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners interested in circuit analysis, particularly those studying clamping circuits and their behavior under varying input conditions.

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Homework Statement



Plot the waveforms for capacitor voltage VC, output voltage Vo, and diode voltage Vd given that Vs is a 20 Vpp triangle wave with period T. Use CVD model with diode VON = 0.7 V.

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Homework Equations



KVLs?

The Attempt at a Solution


From my basic understanding of a clamper, I can see that the output is offset by +2 V. Thus Vo begins at +2v, Vc begins at -2V, and the diode voltage begins at 0V and heads towards -10V (off, reverse bias).

However, I can't manage to show this analytically.

KVL around the left side gives:
Vs - Vc + Vd - 2V = 0

At the same time, I know that Vo + Vd - 2 = 0.

I can't really solve anything with just these two equations though.

I can say that Vs - Vc = Vo, but these equations just take me in circles.

Again, I understand that Vo starts at 2V and rises in step with Vs. With that said, Vo = 12 V at when Vs reaches its first 10V peak. At T/2 when the input becomes negative, the diode turns on and the capacitor can start charging. With the diode on, output Vo is clamped to 2V - 0.7V = 1.3V. The 0.7V is the diode drop from the CVD model.

It stays on until 3T/4. By that point, the capacitor has charged to -11.3V. From 3T/4 onwards, diode remains off. Capacitor has no discharge path and remains at -11.3V. At the second 10V peak, Vo is 21.3V.

I just don't know how to show ANY of that with work, which doesn't earn me any points when I have to analyze this on a test.
 

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Hi stn0091. http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5725/red5e5etimes5e5e45e5e25.gif

Do you have simulation software that you can construct this and see precisely what it does? It helps a lot when you know what you are aiming to explain. :smile: There can be a big difference between how a circuit behaves for the first so many cycles, and how it operates well down the track once it has settled down to a steady state.
 
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Yes, I simulated the circuit using PSPICE. Just from observation of the circuit, I can tell how it behaves for the first few cycles, even without the simulation. I just can't manage to write it down with some work.

At 0 seconds, is the circuit assumed to be in DC steady state? Is it valid if I say the entire circuit is assumed to have been off for a long period of time such that the capacitor is discharged and open and there is no current anywhere in the circuit?

If that's the case, that might help a bit.

Under DCSS at 0-:

Vs = 0V

Vc = Vs - Vo

Vo = -Vd + 2

There is no current, so there's no drop across the diode so Vd = 0V.

Working back up that list up equations,

Vo = 2V
Vc = -2V

Those numbers agree with my intuitive understanding of the circuit and what PSPICE says.

Question: I said that the capacitor was fully discharged at DCSS for t = 0-. How can Vc = -2V in that case? Shouldn't it be zero? Or does "discharged" just mean any value < 0? This stuff from basic circuits is really throwing me off.

That was all at DCSS at 0- seconds. Now turn Vs on.

Diode will be in reverse bias so the circuit is still "off."

With KVL, I again have:

Vs - Vc - Vo = 0

Capacitor has no path so Vc remains constant at -2V. Let's say I'm at the first 10V peak at T/4 seconds.

10 - (-2) - Vo = 0
Vo = 12V

Is that all logically sound so far? Are my assumptions valid?
 
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Yes, I simulated the circuit using PSPICE.
Umm, I was hinting that you should post a graph of v₀(t) over multiple cycles. http://imageshack.us/a/img854/9793/tazm.gif This might allow us to cut to the chase with the explanation.
At 0 seconds, is the circuit assumed to be in DC steady state? Is it valid if I say the entire circuit is assumed to have been off for a long period of time such that the capacitor is discharged and open and there is no current anywhere in the circuit?
For this circuit, the only current path includes the capacitor, and since we can't have a steady current into a capacitor without its voltage soaring towards infinity, then, yes, the current must have zeroed.
Question: I said that the capacitor was fully discharged at DCSS for t = 0-. How can Vc = -2V in that case? Shouldn't it be zero? Or does "discharged" just mean any value < 0? This stuff from basic circuits is really throwing me off.
The 2V source is not part of the input and is not switched in at t=0; that 2V is always present so it takes part in determining the equilibrium conditions before t=0.
Capacitor has no path so Vc remains constant at -2V. Let's say I'm at the first 10V peak at T/4 seconds.

10 - (-2) - Vo = 0
Vo = 12V

Is that all logically sound so far? Are my assumptions valid?
It's right so far.

We need your graph of v₀(t).
 
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Not exactly a triangle wave, but it still follows the same general shape. Top/pink is Vo, middle/purple is Vs, bottom/red is Vc.

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Are those waveforms close to what you expected to find? Can you explain what they show, and some of their features?
 
This is a clamper circuit.When the input is at its negative peak,the diode is on and the capacitor is charged opposite to what is shown in the circuit.The capacitor is charged to V=20+2-0.7=21.3V.
Now when the input is at its positive peak,the diode is off and the capacitor stays at the same charged voltage.
The output in first case is (2-0.7)V=1.3V.Voltage across diode is 0.7V
The output in second case is 21.3+10=31.3V.Across diode is also 31.3V since open circuit.
The output is never negative.
 

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