Circuit, One resistor, two paths

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The discussion revolves around a circuit scenario involving one resistor and a parallel path with no resistance. Participants explore the behavior of current in this configuration, touching on concepts such as Thévenin circuits and the relationship between resistance and current flow.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that all current will flow through the path with no resistance, bypassing the resistor entirely.
  • Warren presents a mathematical perspective on the parallel combination of resistors, suggesting that the resistance of the second path is effectively zero.
  • Another participant expresses intuitive understanding of the concept without mathematical backing, indicating a reliance on practical reasoning.
  • Chroot emphasizes the importance of understanding Thévenin circuits and the process of short-circuiting terminals to compute equivalent circuits.
  • Warren argues against relying solely on intuition, stating that mathematics provides a more reliable framework for understanding current flow.
  • There is a discussion about the terminology used, with some participants questioning the use of "fastest" to describe current flow and clarifying that resistance does not affect the speed of current.
  • Participants debate the relationship between resistance and voltage, with conflicting views on whether resistance creates voltage or simply affects current flow.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that current will flow through the path with no resistance, but there is disagreement regarding the implications of resistance on current flow and voltage, as well as the reliance on intuition versus mathematics.

Contextual Notes

Some statements made by participants contain assumptions about the nature of current flow and resistance that are not universally accepted, and there are unresolved points regarding the definitions and implications of voltage in relation to resistance.

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In a circuit where there is one resistor in one path and a separate path with no resistance, will all of the current go through the second path?
 
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Yes. The parallel combination of two resistors, one with resistance R ohms and the other with resistance 0 ohms, is:

[itex]\frac{1}{\frac{1}{R} + \frac{1}{0}} = \frac{1}{\infty} = 0[/itex]

- Warren
 
Good intuitively it made sense, I didn't even try it mathematically. Thanks.
 
As Chroot said, the current will go through the wire, and won't even bother with the resistor. But I'd just like to add that you should remember this if you ever have to deal with things called Thévenin circuits. In order to compute a circuit's Thévenin equivalent, you actually need to short-circuit two terminals (don't worry, you only do it on paper). I actually spent a couple weeks being confused about this, because I didn't understand that the current will bypass the resistor completely.
 
Short-circuit means a 0 resistance wire (a perfect ammeter, I believe) is placed across two points... All the current will go through this wire (which is kinda how ammeters work LOLz, if that's an easy way to remember).

Mathmatically, don't rely on it... The idea is simple, current wants to go through the FASTEST possible way it can... If you have 1000 ohms in one wire and 0 ohms in another, it wants to go through the 0 ohms because... nothing resists it :-P (excuse the pun e_e)
 
Da-Force said:
Mathmatically, don't rely on it... The idea is simple, current wants to go through the FASTEST possible way it can... If you have 1000 ohms in one wire and 0 ohms in another, it wants to go through the 0 ohms because... nothing resists it :-P (excuse the pun e_e)

You should rely on mathematics more than any kind of intuition. Intuition can lead you astray, while mathematics cannot.

Also, the use of the word "FASTEST" above is incorrect. Resistance has nothing to do with the "speed" of current, whatever that is.

- Warren
 
I meant charges e_e

But anyways, resistances can be thought of as 'slowing or resisting' charges which creates a voltage... High resistances like a voltmeter means no (or neglible) current goes through the wire.

And mathematics never explain negative/positive signs in magnetism or electricity for that matter, trust me ;-)
 
Da-Force said:
But anyways, resistances can be thought of as 'slowing or resisting' charges which creates a voltage... High resistances like a voltmeter means no (or neglible) current goes through the wire.

Slowing down charge carriers does not 'create' a voltage.

And mathematics never explain negative/positive signs in magnetism or electricity for that matter, trust me ;-)

Mathematics thoroughly explains the difference between positive and negative charges; it just happens that the assignment of negative charge to the electron was arbitrary, and we preserve it for historical reasons.

- Warren
 

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