Circuit Question - Combining/Redrawing Circuits

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The discussion revolves around understanding the process of redrawing circuits, specifically how certain components are identified as being in parallel and the positioning of voltage sources in a circuit diagram.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the reasoning behind the identification of R1 and E1 as parallel to R2 and E2, as well as the placement of these elements in the circuit. Participants also explore the implications of adding ideal voltage sources to nodes in the circuit.

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Participants are actively questioning the assumptions made in the circuit redrawing process. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of nodes at constant voltage, suggesting that the addition of voltage sources is permissible under certain conditions. However, there is no explicit consensus on the reasoning behind the initial redrawing.

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There are indications of potential confusion regarding the visual representation of the circuits, as noted by requests for clearer images. This may affect the understanding of the circuit configurations being discussed.

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Circuit Question -- Combining/Redrawing Circuits

I don't understand how they the circuit on the left was redrawn to be the circuit on the right.

1. How did they know R1 and E1 were parallel to R2 and E2 and the 6 ohm resistor?

2. How did they know that E1 should be position as it is in the picture? Same question for E2.
 

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You think you could make the image just a little smaller? I can almost read this one.
 
phinds said:
You think you could make the image just a little smaller? I can almost read this one.

I hope this one is better
 

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Miike012 said:
I don't understand how they the circuit on the left was redrawn to be the circuit on the right.

1. How did they know R1 and E1 were parallel to R2 and E2 and the 6 ohm resistor?

2. How did they know that E1 should be position as it is in the picture? Same question for E2.

Take the nodes marked E1 and E2 in the first picture, and place ideal, constant voltage sources (or ideal batteries in this case) with the appropriate emf (voltage) between those nodes and ground. Connect all your grounds, and you should get the second picture (except without RL, since that wasn't in the blue part).

For example, in the first picture, E1 is just hanging there at -6 V. Instead of letting it hang there like that, add in a 6 V source between E1 and ground, paying attention to the polarity such that the original point E1 is negative 6 V with respect to ground. Do the same sort of thing for E2 (except +10 V). Then connect all the grounds together.

You can do that because when a node is "hanging" at a constant voltage like that, it is assumed that a voltage source is present, even though it's not in the diagram. So it's okay to put one in. You're not violating anything with lumped-parameter circuit theory by doing so.
 

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