How does the radius affect frictional force in circular motion?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between radius and frictional force in circular motion, specifically regarding a car on a curved track. Participants debate whether the frictional force is solely dependent on the radius or if other factors, such as speed and mass, also play significant roles. While one participant believes the answer could be that the frictional force is dependent on the radius, others argue that the wording of the question is ambiguous and could imply different interpretations. The consensus is that the frictional force is crucial for maintaining circular motion, but its dependence on the radius may not be as straightforward as presented. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the importance of questioning textbook answers and understanding the nuances of physics concepts.
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Homework Statement


A car drives along a curved track. The frictional force exerted by the track on the car is:

a. greater than the frictional force exerted by the car on the track
b. directed radially outward
c. opposite in direction to the frictional force exerted by the car on the track
d. zero if the car's speed is constant
e. dependent on the radius of the track

Homework Equations


mV2/R = Centripetal force
Ffr = Fc if the car is to not slide

The Attempt at a Solution


So the track must exert a frictional force on the car equal to its centripetal force as it rounds the circle to prevent it from slipping. And this centripetal force is dependent on the radius of the track R.

So from this I think the answer could be E.

But also, between any two objects A and B, the friction A exerts on B is equal and opposite in direction to the frictional force B exerts on A.

So from this I think the answer could be C.

The book says the answer is C. But I want to know why it can't be E.
 
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E is also a correct answer.
HaoPhysics said:
But I want to know why it can't be E.
Because the book says so. Seriously, though, E looks correct to me because the force of static friction needed is ##f_s=\frac{mv^2}{R}##. Of course it also depends on the speed and mass of the car, not only on the radius of the track, but I don't see an "only" in E.
 
kuruman said:
E is also a correct answer.

Because the book says so. Seriously, though, E looks correct to me because the force of static friction needed is ##f_s=\frac{mv^2}{R}##. Of course it also depends on the speed and mass of the car, not only on the radius of the track, but I don't see an "only" in E.

Thanks for the input! And yes, I feel that a part of the secondary education program is learning to question the books.
 
E is badly worded? The friction force is inversely dependant/proportional on the radius.
 
HaoPhysics said:
Thanks for the input! And yes, I feel that a part of the secondary education program is learning to question the books.
Not just the books. Question everything.
 
CWatters said:
E is badly worded? The friction force is inversely dependant/proportional on the radius.
That is also a good point.
 
kuruman said:
Not just the books. Question everything.

Very true. I like your signature quote.
 
CWatters said:
E is badly worded? The friction force is inversely dependant on the radius.
In my understanding, "dependent" could possibly mean linearly, inversely, inversely squared, exponentially, whatever. As long as there is a "radius" (independent variable) on the right side, the force of friction (dependent variable) is "dependent" regardless the functional form. If the author of the question meant "directly proportional", then it is a poorly phrased question. Again in my opinion.
 
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