Circular Motion Homework: Solving Part (B) & Understanding Centripetal Force

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The discussion focuses on understanding the relationship between centripetal force, weight, and normal force in circular motion. It clarifies that centripetal force is not a distinct force but rather the net force causing centripetal acceleration, typically derived from gravity and normal force. When a vehicle reaches maximum speed, the centripetal force equals the weight, and if the speed increases beyond this point, the normal force can drop to zero, causing the vehicle to lose contact with the track. The participants emphasize that the normal force cannot be negative; if it were, the vehicle would no longer be in contact with the surface. This understanding is crucial for solving problems related to circular motion dynamics.
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I have found the solution to part(B)
But I don't understand why the centripetal force is equal to the weight of the vehicle when the speed of the vehicle is maximum.
 

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haha1234 said:

But I don't understand why the centripetal force is equal to the weight of the vehicle when the speed of the vehicle is minimum.


Do you mean maximum? The minimum speed would be zero.
 
xophergrunge said:
Do you mean maximum? The minimum speed would be zero.

Yes.Sorry for my typo
 
Okay. So, what would happen if the centripetal force became greater than the weight?
 
haha1234 said:
But I don't understand why the centripetal force is equal to the weight of the vehicle when the speed of the vehicle is maximum.
What are the only forces acting on the vehicle?
 
xophergrunge said:
Okay. So, what would happen if the centripetal force became greater than the weight?

I don't know:frown:
 
Doc Al said:
What are the only forces acting on the vehicle?

Centripetal force and tangential force?
 
haha1234 said:
Centripetal force and tangential force?
No, I'm talking about real forces. ("Centripetal force" is just the name given to whatever force is producing the centripetal acceleration. It's not a kind of force.)

Hint: One of those forces is gravity. What's the other? (I'm only interesting in forces that act at the top of the motion.)
 
Doc Al said:
No, I'm talking about real forces. ("Centripetal force" is just the name given to whatever force is producing the centripetal acceleration. It's not a kind of force.)

Hint: One of those forces is gravity. What's the other? (I'm only interesting in forces that act at the top of the motion.)

Normal force? But I don't know how they are relevant to the maximum speed:cry:
 
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haha1234 said:
Normal force?
Yes!

But I don't know how they are relevant to the maximum speed
They are relevant because those two forces combine to give you the centripetal force.

What direction do those forces act? Express the centripetal force in terms of those forces.

The force of gravity cannot change, but what about the normal force?
 
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Doc Al said:
Yes!


They are relevant because those two forces combine to give you the centripetal force.

What direction do those forces act? Express the centripetal force in terms of those forces.

The force of gravity cannot change, but what about the normal force?

Am I correct?
But when the centripetal force is greater than the weight, the normal force will be smaller than zero.
Is it correct?
 

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haha1234 said:
Am I correct?
But when the centripetal force is greater than the weight, the normal force will be smaller than zero.
Is it correct?
Yes.

Of course the normal force cannot be less than zero. What will happen is that the vehicle will leave the track if the speed is too great. The point where it is going as fast as it can and still maintain contact will be when the normal force goes to zero.
 
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Doc Al said:
Yes.

Of course the normal force cannot be less than zero. What will happen is that the vehicle will leave the track if the speed is too great. The point where it is going as fast as it can and still maintain contact will be when the normal force goes to zero.

Why the vehicle will leave the track when the normal force becomes zero?
Sorry for my stupidity.:shy:
 
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haha1234 said:
Why the vehicle will leave the track when the normal force becomes zero?
As long as the vehicle is pressing against the track there will be a normal force. When the normal force goes to zero, that means it is no longer pressing against the track--if it goes any faster, it begins to go flying off.
 
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