Classify all groups of order 147

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The discussion revolves around classifying groups of order 147, specifically exploring the structure of such groups through their Sylow subgroups and automorphisms. Participants analyze potential group constructions and homomorphisms, engaging in a technical examination of group theory concepts.

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  • One participant proposes that the group G of order 147 can be expressed as a half direct product of its Sylow subgroups P (7-Sylow) and Q (3-Sylow), noting that P is normal due to its uniqueness.
  • Another participant challenges the completeness of the first participant's analysis, suggesting that there are more non-trivial automorphisms than those listed and that the automorphism group Aut(Z7 x Z7) is isomorphic to GL(2,Z7).
  • A later reply asserts that there are indeed three non-trivial semi-direct products, but questions whether these lead to non-isomorphic groups.
  • One participant mentions an additional option involving Z_49 but does not elaborate on its complexity.

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Participants express differing views on the number and nature of non-trivial automorphisms and semi-direct products. There is no consensus on whether the proposed groups are non-isomorphic or if additional options exist beyond those discussed.

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Some participants indicate that their arguments depend on assumptions about the structure of automorphisms and the properties of the groups involved, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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I just had an exam, and I'm curious to see if I got it right, because my professor didn't do it like I did, and I didn't have time to hear his final answer.

Well, you tell me if I have any mistakes:
Let G be such a group.
147=3*7^2. Let P be the 7-Sylow subgroup (it is unique because it is of index 3, being the lowest prime that divides |G|, and is therefor normal), and let Q be a 3-Sylow.
It is obvious that their intersection is trivial, whereas G=PQ. Therefor, G is the half direct product of P and Q.
P being the normal subgroup, we want to find all non-trivial homomorphisms from Z_3 to Aut(Z_7xZ_7) or Aut(Z_49). The second one is simple, so let's look at
$Z_3 \to Aut\left( {Z_7 \times Z_7 } \right)$<br />

I played with it and got the conclusion that by presenting
$Z_7 \times Z_7 = \left\langle a \right\rangle \times \left\langle b \right\rangle $<br />
The only options where, if $Z_3 = \left\langle y \right\rangle $<br />:
\[<br /> \left\{ \begin{array}{l}<br /> yay^{ - 1} = a, yay^{ - 1} = b^2 \\ <br /> yay^{ - 1} = a^2 , yay^{ - 1} = b \\ <br /> yay^{ - 1} = a^2 , yay^{ - 1} = b^2 \\ <br /> \end{array} \right.<br /> \]<br />
And the trivial direct product, of course.
What do you think? Did I get it right?
 
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Palindrom said:
I just had an exam, and I'm curious to see if I got it right, because my professor didn't do it like I did, and I didn't have time to hear his final answer.

Well, you tell me if I have any mistakes:
Let G be such a group.
147=3*7^2. Let P be the 7-Sylow subgroup (it is unique because it is of index 3, being the lowest prime that divides |G|, and is therefor normal), and let Q be a 3-Sylow.
It is obvious that their intersection is trivial, whereas G=PQ. Therefor, G is the half direct product of P and Q.
P being the normal subgroup, we want to find all non-trivial homomorphisms from Z_3 to Aut(Z_7xZ_7) or Aut(Z_49). The second one is simple, so let's look at
Z_3 \to Aut\left( {Z_7 \times Z_7 } \right)$<br />

I played with it and got the conclusion that by presenting
Z_7 \times Z_7 = \left\langle a \right\rangle \times \left\langle b \right\rangle <br />
The only options where, if Z_3 = \left\langle y \right\rangle $<br />:
\[<br /> \left\{ \begin{array}{l}<br /> yay^{ - 1} = a, yay^{ - 1} = b^2 \\ <br /> yay^{ - 1} = a^2 , yay^{ - 1} = b \\ <br /> yay^{ - 1} = a^2 , yay^{ - 1} = b^2 \\ <br /> \end{array} \right.<br /> \]<br />
And the trivial direct product, of course.
What do you think? Did I get it right?
Uh, should that second column have b-conjugates? I don't know how you're getting what you're getting. However, I'm quite sure that there is more than just the trivial automorphism.

The group Aut(Z7 x Z7) is isomorphic to GL(2,Z7). I think, in general, Aut(Fn) is isomoprhic to GL(n,F). So it suffices to find the 2 x 2 matrices over the field Z7 with non-zero determinant. This is equivalent to finding a basis of the vector space Z7 x Z7. There are 49-1 choices for the first vector in your basis (any vector but 0). For your second choice, you must choose something linearly independent from the first. For the second, you can choose anything that's not in the span of the first, so there's 49 - 7. Total: 48*42 = 25327.

So Aut(Z7 x Z7) does indeed have a subgroup of order 3, hence is at least one non-trivial semi-direct product between Z3 and Z7 x Z7.
 
Of course there is, that's what my last paragraph is all about. I found three non trivial such products.
I didn't say that there was only the trivial automorphism. I don't understand what you meant, if you could please explain... Do you not agree that the three groups that I wrote are good?

And you're right, the second column should have b's instead of a's in the middle.
 
You haven't shown that your three options will lead to non-isomorphic groups, and that there are no other options.
 
Oh no I have, I just didn't write everything here.

By the way, there is one more option with Z_49, but as I said that's really simple so I didn't get into it.

I'm just asking if the three ones that I found are correct.
 

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