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Claude Dechales presented anti-Copernican arguments that predate the formal identification of the Coriolis effect, as highlighted in a 2017 Physics Today article. While Dechales acknowledged the Coriolis effect, he incorrectly used it to argue against Earth's rotation, claiming it had not been observed. The Coriolis effect is real and observable in various phenomena, such as weather patterns, but requires significant distances to be noticeable. Critics question Dechales' experimental methods and conclusions, suggesting he may have dismissed the effect due to a lack of observable evidence at the time. Ultimately, the discussion emphasizes the historical context of Dechales' arguments and the validity of the Coriolis effect itself.
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in the july 2017 edition of Physics today, there's an article on "Early Description of Coriolis Effect" which show Claude Dechales anti-copernican argument have shown the coriolis effect before Coriolis state the coriolis effect.

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http://physicstoday.scitation.org/doi/full/10.1063/PT.3.3610

My problem with this article is I can't figure it out why this arguments is wrong. Does this effect really happens in real life or are there something I'm missing?
 
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His arguments are sound, but his conclusion rests on the statement that the effect has not been observed. Who knows what he tried, or what his expectations of the magnitude were. It isn't the most easily demonstrated effect, and Foucaults Pendulum came about much later.
 
rumborak said:
His arguments are sound, but his conclusion rests on the statement that the effect has not been observed. Who knows what he tried, or what his expectations of the magnitude were. It isn't the most easily demonstrated effect, and Foucaults Pendulum came about much later.
So what you are saying we don have any clue that this is true?
 
Coriolis is a 'geometrical effect' that can be said to have the same effect as a force. It is alive and well and can be observed in the fact that weather systems all produce winds that go in curves. You need vast distances for the Coriolis Effect to be noticeable.
People talk about the escaping bath water down the plughole following clockwise or anticlockwise spirals, depending on which hemisphere you're in but it's not a big enough effect to overcome the errors of any experiment that's been done.
 
theo1234901 said:
So what you are saying we don have any clue that this is true?
Not sure what part you think wouldn't be true. As sophiecentaur says, the Coriolis effect obviously is real and happening; it can be observed every day in numerous things.

Maybe you're confused what the article is saying. All the article shows is that there was an individual who predicted the existence of the Coriolis effect long before Coriolis himself. However, in a historical oddity he actually tried to use it to *disprove* that the Earth is rotating. Whether he actually made any experiments, or whether he stopped at a quick "I can't see it, so it's not happening" thought, hard to tell. The guy was a Jesuit, so he may have been a bit quick to accept any counter argument against Copernicus.
 
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