Close to Light Speed: Exploring a Wormhole Drive Concept

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of a wormhole drive for near-light speed travel in a fictional narrative. Participants explore the implications of such technology, including time dilation, acceleration effects, and comparisons to existing science fiction works.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a wormhole drive could allow for near-instantaneous travel while time passes differently for observers, but acknowledges that this may not be entirely plausible due to the complexities of physics.
  • Another participant argues that special relativity could explain the scenario without the need for wormholes, proposing powerful propulsion methods and local warping of space-time as alternatives.
  • Some participants note that wormholes are theoretically instantaneous for all observers, not just the traveler, which raises questions about their applicability in the proposed scenario.
  • There is a discussion about the effects of acceleration and deceleration on time experienced by the traveler, with some participants questioning whether this constitutes classic time dilation.
  • One participant suggests the idea of a warp drive that allows for high acceleration without the passengers feeling the effects, referencing existing science fiction examples.
  • Another participant mentions that extreme acceleration could lead to very short travel times from the traveler's perspective, while significant time would pass on Earth.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the feasibility and implications of wormhole drives versus other theoretical travel methods. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on the best approach or the plausibility of the proposed technology.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on speculative physics, assumptions about technology capabilities, and unresolved questions about the nature of time experienced during acceleration.

Who May Find This Useful

Writers and enthusiasts of science fiction, particularly those interested in themes of space travel, time dilation, and theoretical physics.

fulltime
Im writing a story in which it is possible to travel very close to the speed of light. Let's say for the moment that this is some kind of wormhole drive.

My conceit is that, due to a quirk of physics, its possible to traverse space almost instantly while time passes for everyone else, so a ship might arrive at its destination in a few seconds, but a time comparable to the time it would take to travel there in a direct line at the speed of light would have passed for the observer.

Im thinking the equivalence is not exact as there's anomalous topologies when attempting to go anywhere in a straight line, etc.

Its a wormhole drive because i want to avoid all the speeding up, slowing down and deflector shields.

Does that sound marginally plausible? If yes, what can you infer from such a technology? Maybe side effects or interesting phenomena?
 
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fulltime said:
Im writing a story in which it is possible to travel very close to the speed of light. Let's say for the moment that this is some kind of wormhole drive.

My conceit is that, due to a quirk of physics, its possible to traverse space almost instantly while time passes for everyone else, so a ship might arrive at its destination in a few seconds, but a time comparable to the time it would take to travel there in a direct line at the speed of light would have passed for the observer.
That's exactly how special relativity works. You don't need wormholes, just use some really powerful propulsion methods and some sufficiently advanced technology to handle the acceleration effects.
Maybe some local warping of space-time just to get the acceleration/deceleration? Not sure if that would work, but for science fiction it should be fine.

Wormholes could give the same relation between time, but then they can be used for time travel (just go in the opposite direction).
 
Wormholes are also essentially instantaneous, but for everyone, not just the traveler.
 
The ramifications of this idea have been explored in Joe Haldeman's Forever War and Ursula K.Le Guin's Hainish Cycle of novels, off the top of my head. You might want to check these out.
 
mfb said:
That's exactly how special relativity works. You don't need wormholes, just use some really powerful propulsion methods and some sufficiently advanced technology to handle the acceleration effects.
Maybe some local warping of space-time just to get the acceleration/deceleration? Not sure if that would work, but for science fiction it should be fine.

Wormholes could give the same relation between time, but then they can be used for time travel (just go in the opposite direction).

russ_watters said:
Wormholes are also essentially instantaneous, but for everyone, not just the traveler.

Bandersnatch said:
The ramifications of this idea have been explored in Joe Haldeman's Forever War and Ursula K.Le Guin's Hainish Cycle of novels, off the top of my head. You might want to check these out.

I assume since the ship would feel almost no time passing at all, that's not classic time dilation right?

I mean, time does pass for the object traveling at close to light by acceleration and deceleration. But in this near instant start/stop, it would almost not pass at all.

Am i correct that these are two different things?
 
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fulltime said:
I assume since the ship would feel almost no time passing at all, that's not classic time dilation right?
Why?

I mean, time does pass for the object traveling at close to light by acceleration and deceleration. But in this near instant start/stop, it would almost not pass at all.
If acceleration goes fast enough...
Sure, with 1g of acceleration, you need months (both in planet and ship frame) to accelerate to relativistic speeds.
 
There are plenty of examples of science fiction featuring near-light speed travel. Wormholes are theoretical objects in which stuff can enter one mouth and come out the other instantly so it doesn't really fit your setting.

You could propose some sort of technobabble like a warp drive that can't exceed the speed of light but allows spacecraft to accelerate at thousands of Gs whilst the passengers feel nothing. There are examples of that in SF already.
 
As Mfb and Ryan_m_b have said, its all about acceleration. If you hand wave through the technology needed such as inertia dampeners and Ludicrously powerful propulsion and shields then you could have instantaneous travel from the traveler's perspective. for example if they are headed to Alpha Centuri and they accelerated at 10000000000G then the trip would only last about 0.08 seconds as far as they are concerned but almost 4 and a half years will have passed for Earth.
 
This thread is several months old and fulltime did not post here in all this time.
 

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