Coal Gasifier - Thermodynamics Question

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem related to coal gasifiers, specifically focusing on understanding equilibrium equations and the composition of gas mixtures resulting from chemical reactions within the gasifier. Participants explore the concepts of reaction equations, equilibrium, and mass balance in the context of the problem presented.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the term "equilibrium equation" and its relation to composition, seeking clarification on how to approach the problem.
  • Another participant asserts that the reactions within the gasifier reach equilibrium and emphasizes that this is similar to other chemical systems.
  • Participants share specific reaction equations relevant to the gasification process, including CO + H2O = CO2 + H2 and CO + 3H2 = H2O + CH4, but there is uncertainty about their application.
  • There is a suggestion to consider mass balance and conservation principles to analyze the input and output of the gasifier.
  • A later reply proposes a method to set up a mass balance based on the number of kmols of reactants and products, indicating a structured approach to the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definition and application of equilibrium equations, and there is ongoing confusion regarding how to derive the composition from the equilibrium equations. Multiple viewpoints and approaches are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions and applications of equilibrium equations and mass balance, indicating potential gaps in understanding the problem's requirements. The discussion reflects varying levels of familiarity with the concepts involved.

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Homework Statement


The problem is in the attached picture. I simply do not know what an "equilibrium equation" is and what it means by the composition. My professor is unbelievably difficult to get a straight, understandable answer from. I've already taken thermodynamics, but we did not learn about coal gasifiers.

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Homework Equations


k = (ycc * ydd) / (yaa * ybb) when P = Patm

The Attempt at a Solution


I believe that the boxed in equations are the answers to part (a), the "independent reaction equations" and there would be 2 of them.
My teacher made it sound like these were also the "equilibrium equations" as the answer for part (b), but then where would the "composition" come from?

I believe that the equilibrium equation would be something like this:
(y/2) O2 + (y) C + x H2O --> aCH4 + bH2 + cH2O + dCO + eCO2
And then the composition would be the coefficients, but my teacher made me believe that this was incorrect.

Can someone give an example of what an "equilibrium equation" is? I know there is something called the "equilibrium constant", which he gave us a handout to find values for, but I have no clue how to use it.
Then I will attempt to solve for the equilibrium equation and the composition of this one and then check back in.

Thanks!
 
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Come on, you took thermodynamics and you don't know what the reaction and equilibrium is?

You have a mixture components of which undergo several reactions, when the mixture leaves the gasifier all reactions are at equilibrium. This is not different from any other chemical system.

You have two reaction equations written in pencil - what are they?
 
Borek said:
Come on, you took thermodynamics and you don't know what the reaction and equilibrium is?

You have a mixture components of which undergo several reactions, when the mixture leaves the gasifier all reactions are at equilibrium. This is not different from any other chemical system.

You have two reaction equations written in pencil - what are they?
The equations are:
CO + H2O = CO2 + H2
CO + 3H2 = H2O + CH4

I took thermo, I didn't say I was very good at it though. I'm confused about how to solve for the composition from the equilibrium equations and from the input of O2, H2O and C to the output of CH4, H2, H2O, CO, and CO2.
 
Rett said:
The equations are:
CO + H2O = CO2 + H2
CO + 3H2 = H2O + CH4

No problem with reading them, I asked what they are - why are they included? (hint: they are quite useful here).

Have you heard about mass balance? Or at least about mass conservation?
 
Take as a basis 1 kmol of C fed to the reactor. Based on the problem statement, how many kmol of C atom, O atom, and H atom are fed to the reactor?Let a, b,c,d, and e represent, respectively, the corresponding number of kmols of CH4, H2, H2O, CO, and CO2 in the product. In terms of a, b,c,d, e, and x, write a steady state mass balance on the reactor for C atom, O atom, and H atom. What do you get so far?

Chet
 

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