[College Physics] Electric field and point charge

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the electric field vector at specific points around a point charge and determining the force vector on a test charge located at one of those points. The problem involves applying concepts from electrostatics, specifically Coulomb's Law, and requires understanding vector components and angles in the context of electric fields.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • The original poster presents a problem involving a point charge and asks for help in determining the electric field and force vectors at specified points.
  • Some participants emphasize the need for a clear diagram or detailed description of the physical layout to better understand the problem.
  • There is a discussion about how to derive the electric field vector from its components, with one participant suggesting that the original poster has enough information to find the force magnitude and angle separately.
  • Participants mention the importance of the angle θ in the calculations, noting that both the electric field and force are vector quantities that require consideration of direction.
  • One participant explains that the magnitude of the electric field can be calculated using the distance and that the angle associated with the force vector will correspond to that of the electric field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for a clear representation of the problem layout and the importance of vector components in solving the problem. However, there is no consensus on the specific approach to calculating the electric field and force vectors, as participants express different methods and considerations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the calculations depend on the correct interpretation of angles and vector components, and there may be missing assumptions regarding the layout of the points and charges.

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Homework Statement


Around a point charge there are three points: A, B and C. Determine the electric field vector for those points. Also, determine the force vector for q0 if it was in point B.

Q = 10 µC, a = 1 m, b = sqrt(3) m, q0 = 10 pC
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2. The attempt at a solution
Here is the attempt at a solution, and here are the correct answers.

EDIT: I can't find what I'm doing wrong but I'm not sure how do I get Eb from Ebx and Eby.
 
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Because the problem requires knowledge of the physical layout of points and charges you need to provide a visible diagram of the problem layout or a detailed description in the problem statement that makes the layout clear.

If you use the UPLOAD feature to upload an image as an attachment you can insert the image inline in your post. Often you can also simply paste an image captured via a screen clipping tool (such as "Snipping Tool" on Windows platforms).
 
gneill said:
Because the problem requires knowledge of the physical layout of points and charges you need to provide a visible diagram of the problem layout or a detailed description in the problem statement that makes the layout clear.

If you use the UPLOAD feature to upload an image as an attachment you can insert the image inline in your post. Often you can also simply paste an image captured via a screen clipping tool (such as "Snipping Tool" on Windows platforms).
Yeah, sorry I'm first time here, I edited it.
 
kill1ngthesemurders said:
EDIT: I can't find what I'm doing wrong but I'm not sure how do I get Eb from Ebx and Eby.

That's kind of the long way to get to Eb. You are given enough information to find the force magnitude and angle separately.

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You can determine the length of the vector r easily enough from the given components. From there you can find the magnitude of the electric field. You can also determine the angle θ from the components.
 
It looks like I'm forgeting something. Where do I use the angle θ?
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PhanicKnight said:
It looks like I'm forgeting something. Where do I use the angle θ?
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The field and force are both vectors. Thus they have magnitude and direction. A vector can be expressed in Cartesian component form (i, j, k components), or in polar form (magnitude and angle). Finding the polar form for the field and force at point b is straightforward.

In post #4 the red vector represents the position vector r for point b. You can find its magnitude and angle by Pythagoras and a bit of trig using the side lengths of the triangles formed.

The electric field magnitude depends on the distance magnitude (Coulomb's Law formula). The angle will be the same as for the position vector. Similarly the magnitude of the force on some charge q placed at location b can be found using the magnitude of the electric field there. Again the angle associated with the force vector will be given by that of the electric field angle (and position vector angle). The only caveat to that being if the charge is negative then the direction of the resulting force will be flipped in direction 180°.
 
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That looks good.
 

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