Collision and conservation of energy

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In real-world collisions, momentum is not conserved due to external forces like friction, while mechanical energy is also not conserved because of non-conservative forces such as friction and energy conversion to sound or heat. Momentum is always conserved in a closed system, with any loss being a transfer to another object, in accordance with Newton's third law. Mechanical energy can be transformed rather than lost, emphasizing the conservation of energy principle. The discussion highlights the importance of understanding these concepts in the context of collisions between objects. Overall, the key takeaway is that while momentum is conserved, mechanical energy can change forms due to external influences.
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I wanted to check some concepts in collisions because I'm a little bit confused.

In a real-world collision (Where everything applies, friction and so on) conservation of momentum doesn't really apply because there is friction, which is an external force.

1)That is the only reason momentum isn't conserved, right?

Moving on, mechanical energy isn't conserved either, because there are non-conservative forces (that is, friction plus energy conversion to sound/heat)

2)And those are the only reasons mechanical energy isn't conserved, right?
 
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Energy is ALWAYS conserved just in different ways. (Conservation of energy)
 
iRaid said:
Energy is ALWAYS conserved just in different ways. (Conservation of energy)

Yes, sorry. I meant in the system block 1 + block 2, supposing a collision between two blocks.
 
ShizukaSm said:
Yes, sorry. I meant in the system block 1 + block 2, supposing a collision between two blocks.

Yes, mechanical energy can be lost to heat etc. Momentum is ALWAYS conserved. The only way you can lose it is by tranferring it to something else. In the case of friction it's just transferred to the object you are rubbing against. That's Newton's third law.
 
Dick said:
Yes, mechanical energy can be lost to heat etc. Momentum is ALWAYS conserved. The only way you can lose it is by tranferring it to something else. In the case of friction it's just transferred to the object you are rubbing against. That's Newton's third law.

Thanks. Also, I think I should start saying 'Mechanical energy is transformed' and Momentum ins transferred' instead of 'Lost' as I was saying.
 
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