Collision of baseball with falling person

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The problem involves a baseball thrown at a 45-degree angle towards a friend sitting in a tree at a height, h, while the friend drops another ball simultaneously. The discussion centers around demonstrating that the two balls will collide regardless of the initial speed of the thrown ball, provided it exceeds a minimum value, and finding an expression for that minimum speed.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to establish the trajectories of both balls as functions of time and question how to prove the collision will occur. There is consideration of the horizontal distance to the friend in relation to height, and whether arbitrary initial values can be used to demonstrate the collision.

Discussion Status

Some participants have indicated they have solved part (a) and are now exploring how to approach part (b). There is an ongoing examination of ensuring that the collision occurs above ground, with some participants questioning the initial premises and assumptions necessary for the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, particularly regarding the initial conditions and the requirement that the collision occurs at a height greater than zero. There is a mention of needing to work with specific time values related to the trajectory of the thrown ball.

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Homework Statement



You throw a baseball at a 45 degrees angle to the horizontal, aiming at a friend who's sitting in a tree a distance, h, above ground. At the instant you throw your ball, your friend drops another ball.

a) Show that the two balls will collide, no matter what your ball's initial speed, provided it's greater than some minimum value.
b) Find an expression for that minimum speed.

The Attempt at a Solution



Am I expected to provided an arbitrary initial velocity value and time, t at collision and use it to prove that the collision will occur?
 
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negation said:

Homework Statement



You throw a baseball at a 45 degrees angle to the horizontal, aiming at a friend who's sitting in a tree a distance, h, above ground. At the instant you throw your ball, your friend drops another ball.

a) Show that the two balls will collide, no matter what your ball's initial speed, provided it's greater than some minimum value.
b) Find an expression for that minimum speed.


The Attempt at a Solution



Am I expected to provided an arbitrary initial velocity value and time, t at collision and use it to prove that the collision will occur?
You throw the ball by aiming it directly at your friend, as if gravity is not going to change its trajectory. If he is sitting a distance h above the ground, how far away from you horizontally is he (in terms of h)? If the initial velocity of your ball is v0, can you determine the trajectory of your ball (x and y as functions of time). If he drops his ball with an initial velocity of zero, can you calculate the x and y locations of his ball as functions of time? Can you determine if the two trajectories meet at any time?

Chet
 
Solved for part(a)
 
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Chestermiller said:
You throw the ball by aiming it directly at your friend, as if gravity is not going to change its trajectory. If he is sitting a distance h above the ground, how far away from you horizontally is he (in terms of h)? If the initial velocity of your ball is v0, can you determine the trajectory of your ball (x and y as functions of time). If he drops his ball with an initial velocity of zero, can you calculate the x and y locations of his ball as functions of time? Can you determine if the two trajectories meet at any time?

Chet

I have solved for part(a)
https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/65945


How should I approach part (b)?
 
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negation said:
Solved for part(a)
For part b, you just have to make sure that the collision occurs above ground.
 
Chestermiller said:
For part b, you just have to make sure that the collision occurs above ground.

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The above is my answer for part(a)

I understand. But what is the initial premise from which I must work on?

Edit: I'll try working on the assumption that at t = x/vicos45, the position of my ball must be y >0m
 
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Part(b):

vi > SQRT(gx)
 

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