Compact embedding and dense embedding

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between compact embedding and dense embedding in the context of Banach spaces. Participants explore definitions and implications of these concepts, as well as specific conditions under which one may infer density from compactness.

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  • One participant requests definitions for compact embedding and dense embedding to clarify the discussion.
  • Another participant defines compact embedding in terms of the identity operator being compact between Banach spaces and describes dense embedding in terms of limit points in topological spaces.
  • A participant questions the implications of compact embedding on the density of a subspace, specifically asking if knowing that a subspace is compactly embedded allows one to conclude anything about its density.
  • It is noted that one cannot make a definitive statement about the relationship between compact embedding and density without additional conditions.
  • A specific case is presented where a finite-dimensional linear subspace is compactly embedded but not dense in a larger space, highlighting that compactness does not guarantee density.
  • A participant suggests that there may be additional conditions required for a compactly embedded subspace to also be dense and seeks recommendations for literature on the topic.

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Participants generally agree that compact embedding does not necessarily imply density, but the discussion remains unresolved regarding what additional conditions might be necessary for density to hold.

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Participants have not fully explored the implications of various definitions or the specific conditions under which density may be inferred from compact embedding, leaving some assumptions and dependencies unaddressed.

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Readers interested in functional analysis, particularly those studying properties of Banach spaces and the relationships between different types of embeddings.

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Is there any relation between compact embedding and dense embedding? Thanks in advance for your reply.
 
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Could you first start by defining what compact embedding and dense embedding means. I have some natural guesses, but I would like to know for sure what you mean.

Second, what kind of relationships do you want to consider? As it stands, your question is a bit vague. Obviously, you will find an entire host of relationships, but can you make it a bit more specific?
 
True. By compact embedding I mean the following: let [itex](X,||\cdot||),~(Y,||\cdot||)[/itex] be Banacch spaces and [itex]X\subseteq Y[/itex]. We say that [itex]X[/itex] is compactly embedded in [itex]Y[/itex] if the identity operator [itex]i:X\rightarrow Y[/itex] is compact.

Actually by dense embedding I mean usual density of one space in another (a subset [itex]A[/itex] of a topological space [itex]X[/itex] is called dense (in [itex]X[/itex]) if every point [itex]x\in X[/itex] either belongs to [itex]A[/itex] or is a limit point of [itex]A[/itex]).

My question is: if I know that [itex]A[/itex] is compactly embedded in [itex]X[/itex], what can I say about density of [itex]A[/itex] in [itex]X[/itex]?

Thanks for help!
 
Unqualified, you can't say one way or another.

Consider the case in which [itex]X[/itex] is a finite-dimensional linear subspace of [itex](Y,||\cdot||_Y)[/itex] (and endow [itex]X[/itex] with any norm [itex]||\cdot||_X[/itex]). Then [itex]X[/itex] is certainly compactly embedded; indeed the inclusion is finite-rank. But [itex]X[/itex] is also guaranteed to be [itex]||\cdot||_Y[/itex]-closed.

Summing up:
- If [itex]X=Y[/itex] is finite-dimensional, then [itex]X[/itex] is compactly embedded in [itex]Y[/itex] and dense in [itex]Y[/itex].
- If [itex]X[/itex] is finite-dimensional and [itex]X\subsetneq Y[/itex], then [itex]X[/itex] is compactly embedded in [itex]Y[/itex] and not dense in [itex]Y[/itex].
 
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Thanks a lot for clarifying this! Maybe there is some extra condition (except being compactly embedded) that subspace needs to satisfy in order to be dense? Or somebody could suggest nice book about this subject?
 

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