Comparing Capacitance: Square vs. Circle Capacitor

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on comparing the capacitance of capacitors constructed from square and circular plates, specifically when the diameter of the circular plate is equal to the length of the side of the square plate. The scope includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning related to capacitance calculations.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests applying Gauss' law to analyze the charge distribution and electric field of the smaller plate, indicating that the capacitance would vary in proportion to the area of the smaller plate.
  • Another participant notes that when the plates are close together, the capacitance can be calculated using the formula C = ε₀ S/d, leading to a specific ratio of capacitance based on the surface areas of the plates.
  • This same participant mentions that at larger separations, fringing fields may affect capacitance, potentially increasing it due to charge accumulation at the edges and corners of the plates.
  • A different approach is proposed by another participant, who prefers solving Laplace's equation in both Cartesian and spherical coordinates to address the problem, suggesting it may simplify the analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple approaches and models for calculating capacitance, indicating that there is no consensus on the best method or the implications of varying plate shapes and separations.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on assumptions about plate separation and the uniformity of the electric field, as well as the potential complexities introduced by fringing effects and the applicability of certain formulas to different geometries.

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I need to know how the capacitance of a capacitor built from a
square plate and a large rectangular plate compares to that of a
capacitor built from a circle and a large rectangular plate, if the
diameter of the circle equals the length of the side of the square.
 
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OPIH said:
I need to know how the capacitance of a capacitor built from a
square plate and a large rectangular plate compares to that of a
capacitor built from a circle and a large rectangular plate, if the
diameter of the circle equals the length of the side of the square.
I think you have to apply Gauss' law to the smaller plate on the theory that the field above the smaller plate and the charge distribution on it will be uniform. The charge distribution will not be uniform on the larger plate so the field will not be uniform. (Let's say the smaller plate is on the bottom). Applying Gauss' law to the smaller plate: [itex]EA = Q/\epsilon[/itex] or [itex]E = \sigma/\epsilon[/itex]

Since E = V/d over the smaller plate does not depend on surface area, [itex]\sigma[/itex] does not depend on surface area. Therefore, the amount of charge on the smaller plate varies in proportion to the plate area. Since [itex]C = Q/V[/itex], the capacitance would vary in proportion to the area of the smaller plate.

Apply that principle to your problem.

AM
 
OPIH,

When the plates are close together, the simple law C = epso S/d applies. Therefore, in this limit case, the ratio of the capcacitance will be the ratio of the surface, which is pi/4 = 0.785398, simply.

When the separation increases, the fringing fields may increase the capacitance considerably as compared to the simplified formula above. This is because of charge accumulation in the edges and in the corners (for rectangles).

For moderate separations, there is a Kirchhoff formula to evaluate, but I can't find it back right now. This may allow you to estimate your ratio for moderate separations. Unfortunately, I am not sure it can be adapted for rectangular or square plates.

Michel
 
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Although Andrew Mason and lalbatros way would work, I'd prefer to solve Laplace equation in both cartesian and spherical coordinates, it'll be a lot easier since your only changing one coordinate.
 

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