Complete the statement (relates to the atwood machine)

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The discussion revolves around the Atwood machine and the relationships between unbalanced forces, total mass, and acceleration in a system. Participants explore the implications of changing mass and force on acceleration without arriving at a definitive conclusion.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of Newton's second law (F = ma) and its implications for acceleration when mass or unbalanced force changes. Some question the validity of the original problem statement regarding the conditions under which forces can remain unchanged while altering mass.

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The discussion includes various interpretations of the problem, with some participants providing mathematical proofs to support their reasoning. There is no explicit consensus, but productive dialogue is occurring around the assumptions and definitions involved.

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Participants note that the original problem may contain inherent contradictions, particularly regarding the ability to change total mass while keeping unbalanced forces constant. This raises questions about the validity of the problem setup itself.

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Homework Statement


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When the unbalanced force increases (total mass remaining constant), the acceleration of the system increases

When the total mass that is accelerating increases (unbalanced force remains constant), the acceleration of the total system decreases


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F= ma ?

(this relates to the Atwood machine)

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This is a terrible question. In an Atwood's Machine, you can not change the total mass, and have the unbalanced forces be unchanged.

Proof:

[tex]a = \frac{M-m}{M+m}g[/tex]

[tex]\implies F_1 = Ma = \frac{M-m}{M+m}Mg ~~~~~~~(1)[/tex]

[tex]and ~F_2 = ma = \frac{M-m}{M+m}mg ~~~~~~~~~(2)[/tex]

Let us change the individual masses, so that [itex]M \longrightarrow M'~,~~m \longrightarrow m'[/itex]. Then again, we can write the equations for the unbalanced forces acting on the two blocks:

[tex]\implies F'_1 = M'a = \frac{M'-m'}{M'+m'}M'g ~~~~~(3)[/tex]

[tex]and ~F'_2 = m'a = \frac{M'-m'}{M'+m'}m'g ~~~~~~~(4)[/tex]

If the unbalanced forces are to remain unchanged, then [itex]F'_1=F_1~,~~F'_2=F_2[/itex]. So that gives us:

[tex]\frac{M-m}{M+m}M=\frac{M'-m'}{M'+m'}M'~~~~~~~~~~~~~(5)[/tex][tex]\frac{M-m}{M+m}m=\frac{M'-m'}{M'+m'}m'~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(6)[/tex]

Dividing (5) by (6) gives:

[tex]\frac{M}{m}=\frac{M'}{m'}~\implies \frac{M}{M}=\frac{m}{m'}[/tex]

Call the latter ratios [itex]\alpha[/itex], so that we have [itex]M' =M \alpha~, ~~m'=m\alpha[/itex].

Making these substitutions in (5) and (6) gives [itex]1=\alpha[/itex].

In other words, if the unbalanced forces are to remain unchanged, the individual masses must also be unchanged.
 
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