Complex Integration by Parts Help. Please

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the integration of the function \( e^{-x} \sin(x) \) over the interval from 0 to 1, with a particular focus on the method of integration by parts. Participants are seeking clarification on the correct approach to combine results from integration by parts and address potential confusion regarding the use of substitution.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (OP) presents an integration problem involving \( e^{-x} \sin(x) \) and expresses difficulty in combining results from integration by parts.
  • Some participants clarify that the integral in question is \( I = \int_{0}^{1} e^{-x} \sin(x) dx \) and question the mention of "complex integration."
  • One participant suggests using integration by parts twice to express the integral in terms of itself, implying a recursive approach.
  • Another participant argues against the necessity of substitution, stating that it complicates the process without providing benefits.
  • There is a light-hearted exchange regarding the clarity of communication and potential misunderstandings about substitution versus integration by parts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of integration by parts but exhibit disagreement regarding the use of substitution and its relevance to the problem. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to combine results from integration by parts.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding terminology and methods, particularly between substitution and integration by parts. Some participants express uncertainty about the clarity of the original problem statement.

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Hi
Can anyone help me with this integration.
I will use I to symbol the integer sign

Limits between 1 and 0

Ie^-x.Sinxdx

I understand I have to integrate by parts and get the following answer, ignoring the limits for the time being.

Ie^-x.Sinx = e^-x.Cosx I -Cosx.e^-x dx

then i believe i have to integrate the second part of the sum ( I -Cosx.e^-xdx)and i get.

I -Cosx.e^-xdx= -Cosx.-e^-x- I -e^-x.Sinx

Now i am stuck.
How do I combine the two answers to get a single sum which i can then put between limits.??

Thank you.
 
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Is this what you are trying to integrate:

[tex]I=\int_{0}^{1}e^{-x}sin(x)dx...?[/tex]

I don't see any complex integral here. I might be wrong as well, because my eyes are going...lol...

let [tex]u=e^{-x}, du=-e^{-x}dx,and,v=\int sin(x)dx=-cosx[/tex]

Integrate by parts twice, and you will get sth in terms of the original integral, and you will be fine.
 
The OP might be referring to the integral

[tex]\int^{1}_{0} ie^{-x} \sin (x) dx[/tex]

?
 
[tex]S=\int_{0}^{1}e^{-x}sinxdx.[/tex]
This is the actual sum. Now I have learned how to set it up properly.
Thanks
 
sutupidmath said:
Is this what you are trying to integrate:

[tex]I=\int_{0}^{1}e^{-x}sin(x)dx...?[/tex]

I don't see any complex integral here. I might be wrong as well, because my eyes are going...lol...

let [tex]u=e^{-x}, du=-e^{-x}dx,and,v=\int sin(x)dx=-cosx[/tex]

Integrate by parts twice, and you will get sth in terms of the original integral, and you will be fine.

There is no need for subsitution here - actually I don't see how it helps, you'd get something like [itex]\sin\log u[/itex]...not really helpful.

Just use integration by parts right away, and you'll get back to the integral you started from for which you can then solve.
 
Pere Callahan said:
There is no need for subsitution here - actually I don't see how it helps, you'd get something like [itex]\sin\log u[/itex]...not really helpful.

Just use integration by parts right away, and you'll get back to the integral you started from for which you can then solve.

I don't see myself saying to use substitution lol...!

And as long as i can see, i also suggested integration by parts, and that twice.

We might have different concepts of what substitution and integration by parts is, who knows!

OR... Probbably my eyes are really going lol...
 
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Oh true you didn't mention substitution explicitly, my fault.

But why did write down then what du is ...hm, doesn't matter. I guess our concepts of subsitution and integration by parts are rather similar.:smile:
 
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Pere Callahan said:
Oh true you didn't mention substitution explicitly

Neither explicitly nor implicitly!
 

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