Computation of Liquid/Vapor Result during a Volume Expansion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the methodology for computing the liquid and vapor phases during a volume expansion, particularly in the context of phase changes beyond Boyle's Law. Participants explore the necessary parameters and equations to understand the vapor production and liquid volume reduction as pressure decreases and volume increases.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Bruce seeks guidance on methodologies and equations to account for phase changes during volume expansion, indicating a limited chemistry background.
  • Some participants suggest that additional constraints, such as the number of moles or density, are necessary to address the inquiry effectively.
  • Bruce provides specific data including density, starting volume, molar mass, and total mass, asking for references to understand the mechanics of vapor production during expansion.
  • Participants share a link to a phase change graph for water, suggesting it may be a useful resource for Bruce.
  • Bruce proposes that the new equilibrium point during volume expansion would involve the vapor moles produced balancing the pressure in the gas volume with the vapor pressure of the remaining liquid, considering temperature drops and liquid volume reduction.
  • A participant questions whether enthalpy or latent heat data is needed for the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached a consensus on the specific methodology or equations to use, and multiple viewpoints regarding the necessary parameters and data remain present.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the need for specific data and assumptions, such as the number of moles and enthalpy values, which are not fully resolved. The inquiry remains open-ended regarding the exact formulation of the equations needed for the calculations.

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Homework Statement
PROBLEM:

An expandable container, with a starting volume of 0.5 liter is filed completely with a liquid having a vapor pressure of 2.4 kPa.

The internal starting pressure is 1 atm and temperature of 20 degrees C.

The container expands to a new volume of 30 liters.

What are:

(1) The final volume of liquid at equilibrium?

(2) The internal pressure at equilibrium?

(3) The temperature of the gas?

(4) The temperature of the liquid?
Relevant Equations
I am searching for the appropriate methodology/equation(s) to step beyond Boyle's Law to account for the phase change and solve this problem.

All suggestions/guidance is greatly appreciated!
Bruce
I am searching for the appropriate methodology/equation(s) to step beyond Boyle's Law to account for the phase change and solve this problem.

All suggestions/guidance is greatly appreciated!
Bruce
 
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You have not fully constrained your inquiry; what other information do you need to furnish for us to answer your question?
 
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Bystander said:
You have not fully constrained your inquiry; what other information do you need to furnish for us to answer your question?

Good afternoon Bystander,

I am not sure what further constraints you speak of. My chemistry background is limited as I do mostly electrical/electronic work and I am exploring for a methodology for my super.

Boyles Law may come into play some way partially or not, but I lack the understanding of how to approach a formulation of the equation(s) for the vapor production and liquid volume reduction as the volume increases and pressure drops.

How can I further determine the parameters that are necessary to "fully constrain" the question?

Thanks!
Bruce
 
Bcavender said:
parameters that are necessary to "fully constrain" the question?
Number of moles, or equivalent information (density plus molecular weight plus total volume/mass) for starters; get you going?
 
Bystander said:
Number of moles, or equivalent information (density plus molecular weight plus total volume/mass) for starters; get you going?

Density = 0.99802 g/cm^3
Starting Volume = 500 cm^3 (all liquid)

Molar mass = 18.01528 g/mol
Total Mass = 499.01/18.01528 = 27.7 mol

Can you suggest a reference where I can find the methodology to understand the mechanics and computation of how much mass becomes vapor after expansion from 0.5L to 30L and other conditions?
 

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Bystander said:

OK, let's see if this is progress.

For a given amount of volume expansion, a new liquid/gas equilibrium point would be where the amount of vapor moles produced would allow the pressure in the gas volume to grow to equal the vapor pressure of the remaining liquid given compensation for by the phase change temperature drop in the gas molecules as well as the liquid volume reduction due to vaporization.

Would this statements be correct?Bruce
 
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You need any enthalpy/latent heat data for this ?
 

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