Computing coefficient of friction without experiment

In summary, the conversation discusses the possibility of calculating the coefficient of friction without an experiment, through simulations or comparisons with other materials. However, the complexity of the fundamental electromagnetic forces involved makes it difficult to do so from first principles. Despite this challenge, it is believed that with further understanding and advancements in technology, it may be possible in the future.
  • #1
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Is there theoretically any way to compute a coefficient of friction (solid on solid) without an experiment between the two materials? Say, some kind of simulation, or perhaps comparing both materials to an intermediary material?
 
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  • #2
If you can trust Wikipedia,

"... Friction is not itself a fundamental force but arises from fundamental electromagnetic forces between the charged particles constituting the two contacting surfaces. The complexity of these interactions makes the calculation of friction from first principles impossible and necessitates the use of empirical methods for analysis and the development of theory. ..."

From

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friction

From search,

https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#...56,d.dmQ&fp=a0091817c9b3c677&biw=1093&bih=491

Sounds like a challenge, can't be done! Start calculating, you know what the answer has to be.
 
  • #3
I'm sure it CAN be done. We just don't understand enough about it and/or don't have powerful enough computers. Yet.
 

1. How is the coefficient of friction calculated without an experiment?

The coefficient of friction can be calculated using the equation μ = F/N, where μ is the coefficient of friction, F is the force of friction, and N is the normal force. This equation can be applied to various scenarios, such as sliding, rolling, or static friction.

2. What are the limitations of calculating the coefficient of friction without an experiment?

Calculating the coefficient of friction without an experiment is not always accurate, as there may be external factors that can affect the results, such as surface roughness, temperature, and lubrication. Additionally, the coefficient of friction may vary under different conditions, so the calculated value may not be applicable to all scenarios.

3. Can the coefficient of friction be calculated for all materials?

The coefficient of friction can be calculated for most materials, but the accuracy may vary. Some materials, such as rubber, may have a variable coefficient of friction depending on the surface it is interacting with. In these cases, it may be more accurate to conduct an experiment to determine the coefficient of friction.

4. How can computer simulations be used to calculate the coefficient of friction?

Computer simulations can be used to calculate the coefficient of friction by modeling the interaction between two surfaces. By inputting the relevant parameters, such as surface roughness and applied force, the simulation can produce a value for the coefficient of friction. However, these results may not always be accurate and should be verified with experimental data.

5. Is it necessary to calculate the coefficient of friction without an experiment?

No, it is not always necessary to calculate the coefficient of friction without an experiment. While it can provide an estimate of the frictional force, experimental data is typically more accurate and reliable. Additionally, conducting experiments allows for a better understanding of the factors that affect friction and can lead to more precise calculations in the future.

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