Computing for magnetic force. Please check my answer.

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the magnetic force on a charged particle with a specified charge and velocity in a given magnetic field. The problem involves applying the magnetic force equation and understanding the resulting vector's magnitude and direction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the magnetic force using the cross product of velocity and magnetic field. There are inquiries about how to determine the magnitude and direction of the resulting force vector.

Discussion Status

Some participants confirm that the magnitude has been calculated correctly, while others explore the concept of direction, questioning how to express it in terms of unit vectors. There is a recognition that the unit vector represents the direction of the force.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion regarding the interpretation of the direction of the force vector, specifically in relation to its components along the x, y, and z axes. The discussion includes clarifications about the nature of unit vectors and their role in defining direction.

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Homework Statement



Find the magnitude and direction of the magnetic force on a charged particle with charge -4nC and velocity

[itex]\vec{v}[/itex] = [itex](2.5\times 10^{4}) \hat{i}[/itex] + [itex](1.1 \times 10^{4}) \hat{j}[/itex] (m/s)

if the magnetic field in the region is given by

[itex]\vec{B}[/itex] = [itex](1.2\times 10^{-3}) \hat{i}[/itex] + [itex](5.6 \times 10^{-3}) \hat{j}[/itex] - [itex](3.2 \times 10^{-3}) \hat{k}[/itex] (T).

Homework Equations



[itex]\vec{F}[/itex] = q ([itex]\vec{v}[/itex] [itex]\times[/itex] [itex]\vec{B}[/itex])

The Attempt at a Solution



[itex]\vec{F}[/itex] = q ([itex]\vec{v}[/itex] [itex]\times[/itex] [itex]\vec{B}[/itex])

[itex]\vec{F}[/itex] = ([itex]-4 \times 10^{-9} C[/itex]) [itex]\left[\left((2.5\times 10^{4}) \hat{i} + (1.1 \times 10^{4}) \hat{j}\right) \times \left((1.2\times 10^{-3}) \hat{i} + (5.6 \times 10^{-3}) \hat{j} - (3.2 \times 10^{-3}) \hat{k} \right) \right][/itex]

[itex]\vec{F}[/itex] = ([itex]-4 \times 10^{-9} C[/itex])[itex]\left[\left[(1.1 \times 10^{4})(-3.2 \times 10^{-3})\right] \hat{i} - \left[(2.5 \times 10^{4})(-3.2 \times 10^{-3})\right] \hat{j}+ \left[(2.5 \times 10^{4})(5.6 \times 10^{-3}) - (1.1 \times 10^{4}) (1.2 \times 10^{-3})\right] \hat{k}\right][/itex]

[itex]\vec{F}[/itex] = ([itex]-4 \times 10^{-9} C[/itex]) ([itex]-35.2 \hat{i} + 80 \hat{j} + 126.8 \hat{k}[/itex])

[itex]\vec{F}[/itex] = [itex](1.4 \times 10^{-7}) \hat{i}[/itex] - [itex](3.2 \times 10^{-7}) \hat{j} - (5.0 \times 10^{-7})\hat{k}[/itex] (N)

Is this already the answer? Am I correct? Thanks in advance.
 
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hi jhosamelly! :wink:

looks ok so far :smile:

now the question asks for the "magnitude and direction" :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
hi jhosamelly! :wink:

looks ok so far :smile:

now the question asks for the "magnitude and direction" :wink:

Yah.., that's what I was thinking ..

I know how to get the magnitude.. Its

[itex]\left|\vec{F}\right|[/itex] = [itex]\sqrt{(A_x)^2 + (A_y)^2 + (A_z)^2 }[/itex]

but the question also asks for the direction.. which I think is the i-hat, j-hat, and k-hat..

so., I think my answer earlier is already the final answer.. If not. How can I find the direction?
 
hi jhosamelly! :smile:

yes, that's the magnitude

my guess is that they want the direction defined by the unit vector :wink:
 
hmmm.. meaning the question is asking if the force is pointing along the + or - , x- y- or z- axis...?? so i have three directions?? + x-axis, - y-axis and - z-axis? This is what confused me... I know this is not possible.. so, what is the direction of the force?
 
jhosamelly said:
hmmm.. meaning the question is asking if the force is pointing along the + or - , x- y- or z- axis...??

nooo …

the is a unit vector in every direction

every vector r is|r| (the magnitude) times the unit vector r^ :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
nooo …

the is a unit vector in every direction

every vector r is|r| (the magnitude) times the unit vector r^ :wink:


ow yah! Right! Thanks for reminding me :))

so I need to do

[itex]\hat{F}[/itex] = [itex]\frac{\vec{F}}{\left|\vec{F}\right|}[/itex]
 
Yup! :biggrin:
 
tiny-tim said:
Yup! :biggrin:
I already did it.

[itex]\left|\vec{F}\right|[/itex] = [itex]\sqrt{(A_x)^2 + (A_y)^2 + (A_z)^2 }[/itex]

[itex]\left|\vec{F}\right|[/itex] = [itex]\sqrt{(1.4 \times 10^{-7})^2 + (-3.2 \times 10^{-7})^2 + (-5.0 \times 10^{-7})^2 }[/itex]
[itex]\left|\vec{F}\right|[/itex] = [itex]6.18 \times 10^{-7}[/itex][itex]\hat{F}[/itex] = [itex]\frac{\vec{F}}{\left|\vec{F}\right|}[/itex]

[itex]\hat{F}[/itex] = [itex]\frac{(1.4 \times 10^{-7}) \hat{i} - (3.2 \times 10^{-7}) \hat{j} - (5.0 \times 10^{-7})\hat{k}}{6.18 \times 10^{-7}}[/itex]

[itex]\hat{F}[/itex] = [itex].23 \hat{i}[/itex] - [itex].52 \hat{j} - .82 \hat{k}[/itex]

so, again I still have 3 components.. Hmmmm... What's the direction then?
 
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jhosamelly said:
[itex]\hat{F}[/itex] = [itex].23 \hat{i}[/itex] - [itex].52 \hat{j} - .82 \hat{k}[/itex]

so, again I still have 3 components.. Hmmmm... What's the direction then?

d'oh! :rolleyes:

that unit vector is the direction! :smile:
 
  • #11
tiny-tim said:
d'oh! :rolleyes:

that unit vector is the direction! :smile:

Is that so?? hmmmm... I know that only happens if only one component is left?? O well, I was mistaken.. thanks for your help.
 
  • #12
perhaps i should add …

i j and k are the basis unit vectors​
 
  • #13
tiny-tim said:
perhaps i should add …

i j and k are the basis unit vectors​

I see.. Big thanks :)) So the final answer is that unit vector and the magnitude. I see. Thanks :))))))))
 

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