Computing semimajor axis from ecentricity and period

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The discussion revolves around calculating the semimajor axis of Halley's Comet using its orbital eccentricity and period. The original poster presents the values for eccentricity, period, gravitational constant, and solar mass, along with relevant equations and an attempt at a solution.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the semimajor axis using a series of equations related to angular momentum and the properties of ellipses. Some participants question the correctness of the calculations and the role of eccentricity in the equations used. Others suggest that there may be an error in the final result due to an extra factor.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's calculations, offering insights into potential errors and questioning assumptions. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the relationship between the eccentricity and the calculations involved in determining the semimajor axis.

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The original poster expresses uncertainty about whether it is possible to compute the semimajor axis with only the given parameters, raising questions about the assumptions made in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


Compute the semimajor axes "a" of Halley's Comet.
Given:
orbital eccentricity e = 0.9673
period P =76 days (2.39674E9 seconds)
Gravitational Constant G = 6.67428E-11
solar mass M = 1.9891E30 Kg.

Also used in equations are:
L = angular momentum of center of mass
\mu = reduced mass
r = distance from focus to comet mass
b= semiminor axis of elipse.

Homework Equations


I used:

\frac{dA}{dt} = \frac{L}{2\mu} = \frac{A}{P}

A=\pi a b

b^2=a^2(1-e^2)

L=\mu\sqrt{GMa(1-e^2)} from text

The Attempt at a Solution



L=\frac{2\pi \mu a^2 (1-e^2)}{P} = \mu \sqrt{GMa(1-e^2}

a = \sqrt[1/3]{\frac{GMP^2}{4\pi^2 (1-e^2)}}

Unfortunately "a" turns out to be 6.6964E12 meters = 44.76 AU .
Since the data is for Halley's Comet, a should be 17.8 AU

Where did I go wrong
 
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Looks like you've got an extra factor of (1-\epsilon^2)^{-1/3} in your final result...I think the 1-\epsilon^2 you get from b^2=a^2(1-\epsilon^2) should cancel with the 1-\epsilon^2 you get from L=\mu\sqrt{GMa(1-\epsilon^2)} when you substitute everything in properly...
 
The eccentricity is not involved in Kepler's third law, suggesting you made an error. And you did. What is the area of an ellipse?
 
OK Stupid error. Its not the first time. After getting that straightened out, on rereading the problem I wonder if it is possible to solve for the semimajor axis "a" with only the eccentricity, period and gravitational constant.(ie no solar mass) . Any comments?

Thanks for your help

Gary
 

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