Computing stress in hollow shaft

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the shearing stress in a hollow shaft, specifically focusing on a scenario where an alloy steel shaft has a solid section and a hollow section. Participants are exploring the appropriate formulas and methods to compute shear stress based on given parameters and previous calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the formula for shear stress, Tc/J, but questions whether to include the shearing strain G in their calculations.
  • Another participant clarifies that shear stress is the focus, not shear strain, and advises calculating the torque T for the solid part before proceeding to the hollow section.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding an instructor's method that appears to contradict the principle of torque equality across sections of the shaft.
  • Several participants present calculated values for J for both solid and hollow sections but express uncertainty about their correctness and the subsequent steps in the calculations.
  • There is a correction regarding the value of 'c' for the hollow shaft, indicating it should be the distance from the centroid to the outermost fibers, not a fixed value.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to the problem, with multiple competing views on the formulas to use and the interpretation of torque relationships. There is uncertainty regarding the calculations and the application of the formulas.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions and calculations, including the values for J and the relationship between torque and shear stress. There are indications of potential errors in the calculations and interpretations of the formulas used.

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This discussion may be useful for students or professionals dealing with mechanical engineering problems related to shear stress in shafts, particularly those involving hollow sections and torque calculations.

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Homework Statement


An alloy steel shaft has an outside diameter of 100 mm. A central hole of 60 mm diameter is bored in part of its length as shown. Compute the shearing stress in the hollow section if the stress in the solid section is 200 MPa.

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Homework Equations


angle = TL/GJ

t = torque
L = length of shaft
G = Shearing strain, megapascals
J = [piD^4/32] = 987477 - 1272345 = -284868 ? (this doesn't seem right)

The Attempt at a Solution



Above, and looking for some general direction on that attempt. My guess is to generate two formulas for the shaft out of the above formula, with one side of the formula including the unknown "G" shearing strain which is what we're looking for?

Or should the formula Tmax = Tc/J be used? (T= torque, c = radius, J = piD^4/32)

thanks
 
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You are looking for shear stress, not shear strain, so it is not necessary to know G. You can use Tc/J to calculate shear stress, but you first need to calculate T for the solid part using the J of a solid shaft you must calculate, then calculate the shear stress for the hollow part using the appropriate calculated value of J for a hollow cross section.
 
thats strange because my instructor used the above formula to solve the problem.

He used

T1L1/G1J1 = T2L2/G2J2

T1J2/J1 - T2 = 0
 
togo said:
thats strange because my instructor used the above formula to solve the problem.

He used

T1L1/G1J1 = T2L2/G2J2

T1J2/J1 - T2 = 0
Very strange. This equation states that T1 and T2 are not equal. But a free body diagram cut through any section will show that T1 = T2 = T
 
Ok. I just don't know where to go with it. This is what I have so far:

Two J values:
J solid = 9817477 mm^4
J hollow = 8545132 mm^4

200 MPa = T (50 mm) / 9817477 = T (20 mm) / 8545132

are those numbers right? Something tells me this should be algebraically solved and then have numbers pumped into it. Thanks

(T should cancel out right?)
 
togo said:
Ok. I just don't know where to go with it. This is what I have so far:

Two J values:
J solid = 9817477 mm^4
J hollow = 8545132 mm^4

200 MPa = T (50 mm) / 9817477 = T (20 mm) / 8545132

are those numbers right? Something tells me this should be algebraically solved and then have numbers pumped into it. Thanks

(T should cancel out right?)
I haven't checked your math for the J values, but beyond that, you have a couple of errors. The 'c' value for the hollow shaft is not 20 mm. The value of 'c' is the distance from the centroid of the section to the outermost fibers. And the max stresses in each section are not equal. You should solve for T in the solid shaft, then solve for max stress in the hollow shaft using that value of T.
 

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