Conceptual difference between potential barrier & potential difference

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The discussion centers on the conceptual differences between potential barrier and potential difference, particularly in the context of electric fields and their implications for current flow in circuits, such as diodes. Participants explore theoretical aspects and practical implications without reaching a consensus.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Devanand T questions whether a potential barrier is a type of potential difference and its role in current flow in a closed circuit.
  • One participant explains that a potential barrier appears as a wall in the potential function graph and is related to the kinetic energy level of particles, suggesting that the height of the barrier represents a potential difference.
  • Another participant asserts that the potential difference across a p-n junction can cause current flow if the circuit is closed, indicating a relationship between potential barrier and current flow.
  • Concerns are raised about the inability to measure potential barrier using a voltmeter, even if it is ideal.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of understanding the potential function in solid-state devices and describes the analogy of potential as a landscape for charge movement.
  • One participant suggests that the potential barrier is formed across the junction in a diode and discusses the implications of connecting the ends of a diode circuit with an ideal wire.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between potential barrier and potential difference, as well as the implications for current flow. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for a deeper understanding of solid-state physics and potential functions, indicating that the discussion may depend on specific definitions and interpretations of terms like "potential barrier" and "potential difference." There are also unresolved questions regarding measurement techniques.

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Hi PF,

What is the conceptual difference between potential barrier and potential difference? both have an electric field associated with it. so is potential barrier a sort of potential difference itself and will it cause current flow in a closed circuit like diode shorted. Also why cannot we measure potential barrier using voltmeter (even if it is ideal).

-Devanand T
 
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The term "potential barrier" refers to the appearance of the potential function when you graph it in comparison with the (kinetic) energy level. It looks like a wall. The place where the energy level meets the barrier is the classical limit of motion. Classically, the particle goes no further ... hence: "barrier".

The height of the barrier is a potential difference - though you are usually more interested in the difference between the particle kinetic energy far from the barrier and the potential at the top.

To understand the potential barrier in a solid state device like a p-n junction, you need to look more closely at how the potential function comes about.
 


Simon Bridge said:
The height of the barrier is a potential difference

I thought that that the potential difference (due to barrier) across the PN can cause current flow if the circuit is closed.

What about measuring barrier using voltmeter (even if ideal)
 


That was an answer to the general question about the relationship between the concept of a potential barrier and the potential difference.

To understand the potential barrier in a solid state device like a p-n junction, you need to look more closely at how the potential function comes about.
 


Ok. Can you suggest some good reference book or links etc...
 


What level do you need?
I'd suggest college-level solid-state textbooks... those would be overkill.

I think the main concept for you to grasp is the idea of the solid-state potential being due to an inderlying configuration - it's used as an abstraction. "Free" charges in the solid move with the potential acting as a landscape. Linking a high potential zone to a low one with some good conductor would be like linking the top of a hill with it's bottom with a smooth slide ... nothing moves on the slide because there is nothing to move ... to get a current of children (say) you have to add children - to the top if the hill.

That should help the concept ... but I want to stress that it is just an analogy.
The potential barrier in the diode is formed across the junction ... the characteristic charge of the junction comes from the crystal lattice. Mobile charges are attracted across the junction creating the depletion zone.

Connecting the far ends with an ideal (R=0) wire would create a new junction at the other end ... it's the same as putting the p-n material in a circle. So you'd get a small temporary current as a new depletion layer forms... so it's a circuit of two diodes head-to-tail.
 


Thankyou sir.
 

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