Confirm Correctness of Ant's Shadow Movement Equation

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The problem involves determining the rate at which an ant's shadow moves on the y-axis, given the position of a lamp and the movement of the ant. The context is related to related rates in calculus, specifically using similar triangles to establish relationships between the variables involved.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of similar triangles to derive relationships between the shadow length and the ant's coordinates. There are attempts to differentiate the equations to find the rate of change of the shadow's length. Some participants express confusion regarding the calculations and the signs used in the differentiation process.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing different interpretations of the differentiation steps. There is a recognition of potential errors in the calculations, but no consensus has been reached regarding the correctness of the original poster's answer. Some guidance has been offered regarding the differentiation process.

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Participants note the importance of showing working steps to identify errors, and there is an acknowledgment of the impact of mistakes on exam performance. The original poster expresses concern about the consequences of their error in a previous exam.

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(Q) A lamp is placed at the point (5,0) and it casts the shadow of an ant onto the y axis. When the ant is at point (1,2), how fast is the ant's shadow moving when the ant's x-coordinate is increasing at the rate of 1/2 units/sec and its y-coordinate is decreasing at 1/5units/sec?

I got -9/16. Is it correct? I just need to confirm whether I'm right or wrong.


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That's not at all what I get. Too bad you didn't show your working- I might have been able to point out an error.
 
Here we go!

Let the coordinates of the ant be x,y. Let the length of the shadow be s.

Our goal is to find ds/dt. By similar triangles, s/y = 5/(5-x).

So, 5s - sx = 5y
Differentiating,

5(ds/dt) - (s(dx/dt) + x(ds/dt)) = 5(dy/dt)

When (x,y) = (1,2), s = 5/2.

5(ds/dt) - (5/2)(1/2) - (1)(ds/st) = 5(-1/5).

4(ds/dt) = -9/4.

ds/st = -9/16
 
mit_hacker said:
Let the coordinates of the ant be x,y. Let the length of the shadow be s.

Our goal is to find ds/dt. By similar triangles, s/y = 5/(5-x).

So, 5s - sx = 5y
Differentiating,

5(ds/dt) - (s(dx/dt) + x(ds/dt)) = 5(dy/dt)

When (x,y) = (1,2), s = 5/2.

5(ds/dt) - (5/2)(1/2) - (1)(ds/st) = 5(-1/5).

4(ds/dt) = -9/4.
You "lost a sign"
4(ds/dt)= +5/4- 1= 1/4, not -9/4.

ds/st = -9/16
 
Dammit!

All because of this gross gross gross error, I got the answer wrong in the exam. How many marks do you think I'll lose (out of 5?).??

Thanks a ton!
 

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