Conformally flat s-t, includes implicit dependence in EoM?

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to conformally flat metrics in the context of general relativity, specifically focusing on the implications of implicit dependence in equations of motion. Participants are exploring the properties of a time-like Killing vector and its association with conserved quantities in a given metric.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the nature of conserved quantities associated with different coordinates, particularly questioning the treatment of the variable ##\mu(z)## and its implications for the geodesic equations. There is uncertainty about whether to consider implicit dependence when differentiating the Lagrangian associated with the coordinate ##z##.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the definitions and implications of the variables used. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of implicit versus explicit dependencies, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem as posed, including the requirement to 'write down' certain equations without fully resolving the implications of implicit dependencies. There is also a focus on understanding the definitions of variables used in the context of the problem.

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1. Homework Statement

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2. The attempt at a solution

Time-like killing vector is associated with energy.

## \frac{d}{ds} (\frac{\mu^2\dot{t}}{R^2})=0##

Let me denote this conserved quantity by the constant ##E=\frac{\mu^\dot{t}}{R^2}##
where ##\mu=\mu(z)## . similarly we for sure have a conserved quantity associated with ##x## and ##y## , I am unsure about ##z## however...

a)##ds^2=\frac{\mu^2}{R^2}(-dt^2+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2)##

b) it is conformally flat since it is the flat space-time (in Cartesian coordinates) metric multiplied by a factor which is a function of the coordinates

c ) since it says to 'write down' the geodesic equations it is clear that the metric components have no dependence on ##t,y,x## and so there is a KVF associated with each of these coordinates. I am unsure whether you treat ## \mu(z)## as ##z## dependence or not.

So if when writing the Euler Lagrange equation associated with ##z## i was going to do:
##\frac{dL}{dz}=\frac{dL}{d\mu}\frac{d\mu}{dz}## .If I don't do this then there is a conserved quantity associated with ##z## as there is no explicit z dependence.

However since the question asks you to 'write down' I suspect we ignore the implicit depdence of ##z## via ##\mu## so that there is a conserved quantity associated with ##z## and are only interested in any explicit dependence when differentiating ##L##. Is this correct? I don't really understand why you'd ignore the implicit dependence of ##z##

many thanks
 

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binbagsss said:
1. Homework Statement

Question attached

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2. The attempt at a solution

Time-like killing vector is associated with energy.

## \frac{d}{ds} (\frac{\mu^2\dot{t}}{R^2})=0##

Let me denote this conserved quantity by the constant ##E=\frac{\mu^\dot{t}}{R^2}##
where ##\mu=\mu(z)## . similarly we for sure have a conserved quantity associated with ##x## and ##y## , I am unsure about ##z## however...

a)##ds^2=\frac{\mu^2}{R^2}(-dt^2+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2)##

b) it is conformally flat since it is the flat space-time (in Cartesian coordinates) metric multiplied by a factor which is a function of the coordinates

c ) since it says to 'write down' the geodesic equations it is clear that the metric components have no dependence on ##t,y,x## and so there is a KVF associated with each of these coordinates. I am unsure whether you treat ## \mu(z)## as ##z## dependence or not.

So if when writing the Euler Lagrange equation associated with ##z## i was going to do:
##\frac{dL}{dz}=\frac{dL}{d\mu}\frac{d\mu}{dz}## .If I don't do this then there is a conserved quantity associated with ##z## as there is no explicit z dependence.

However since the question asks you to 'write down' I suspect we ignore the implicit depdence of ##z## via ##\mu## so that there is a conserved quantity associated with ##z## and are only interested in any explicit dependence when differentiating ##L##. Is this correct? I don't really understand why you'd ignore the implicit dependence of ##z##

many thanks
Can you explain what your ##\mu$$ stands for?
 
nrqed said:
Can you explain what your ##\mu$$ stands for?
Given in the question posted in the op? Coordinate transformation on z ?
 
binbagsss said:
Given in the question posted in the op? Coordinate transformation on z ?
Ah! You used ##\mu## for ##u## then? Ok, then what is your ##i## in your definition of the energy? And the dot over the time refers to a derivative with respect to ##s##? What what do you mean by ##s## in your ##d/ds##? Do you mean the proper time?
 

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