Confused about +- symbol use in inverse function

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The discussion revolves around the use of the ± symbol in the context of inverse functions, specifically in relation to the equation y = x^2 - 4 and its manipulation to express y in terms of x. Participants are exploring the implications of the square root operation and its relation to the values of y that satisfy the equation.

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  • Participants are questioning the necessity of the ± symbol when taking the square root of an expression, with specific reference to the equation y = ±sqrt(x + 4). They discuss the implications of having two possible values for y when x is given a specific value.

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Some participants have expressed understanding of the concept, while others are still seeking clarity on why both positive and negative values are included. There is an acknowledgment that the original function does not have an inverse due to its non-one-to-one nature, which has been pointed out as a relevant consideration in the discussion.

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Participants are navigating the definitions and properties of functions and their inverses, particularly in the context of quadratic equations. The discussion includes references to specific examples and the implications of squaring values.

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Hi, so this isn't a question, it's just an example that they've given, but I don't understand the explanation given.


You have :

y = x^2 - 4
x = y^2 - 4
y^2 = x + 4
y = ± sqrt(x+4)


I don't get why there is a ± symbol there. My book says that it's necessary because there are two values for y that will satisfy the equation, and that if x = 0, y could be +2 or -2.


I understand that y could = +2, because sqrt 4 = +2, but I don't see how it could equal -2.

How would I know that I should include the ± symbol in front of the sqrt(x+4)? Thanks
 
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priceofcarrot said:
Hi, so this isn't a question, it's just an example that they've given, but I don't understand the explanation given.


You have :

y = x^2 - 4
x = y^2 - 4
y^2 = x + 4
y = ± sqrt(x+4)


I don't get why there is a ± symbol there. My book says that it's necessary because there are two values for y that will satisfy the equation, and that if x = 0, y could be +2 or -2.


I understand that y could = +2, because sqrt 4 = +2, but I don't see how it could equal -2.

How would I know that I should include the ± symbol in front of the sqrt(x+4)? Thanks

What is (-2)*(-2)?

RGV
 
Whenever you take the square root of something it requires a +or- because the square of either the negative or positive value of that term would yield the same number when it is squared. for instance (-x)^2=(x)^2

since you are squaring y, you must be aware that the sqrt of (x+4) will net y regardless if it is positive or negative
 
AHHHH! I get it.

This forum rocks, thanks!
 
priceofcarrot said:
AHHHH! I get it.

This forum rocks, thanks!

indeed it does
 
Note, by the way, that what this is saying is that the original function does NOT HAVE an inverse! A function has an inverse if and only if it is "one to one". That is, there is only one value of x that gives a specific y value. It that is not true, we can choose a specific one of the x values for a given y value, as here choosing "+" or "-", which is equivalent to choosing a subset of the original function.
 
priceofcarrot said:

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Hi, so this isn't a question, it's just an example that they've given, but I don't understand the explanation given.You have :

y = x^2 - 4
x = y^2 - 4
y^2 = x + 4
y = ± sqrt(x+4)I don't get why there is a ± symbol there. My book says that it's necessary because there are two values for y that will satisfy the equation, and that if x = 0, y could be +2 or -2. I understand that y could = +2, because sqrt 4 = +2, but I don't see how it could equal -2.

How would I know that I should include the ± symbol in front of the sqrt(x+4)? Thanks

For example, if you have ##p^2=2##, then ##p=\pm\sqrt2##. Same thing here.
 
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dimension10 said:
For example, if you have ##p^2=2##, then ##p=\pm2##. Same thing here.

±√2 that is
 
AmritpalS said:
±√2 that is
Oops, sorry about that. Editted.
 

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