I Confused about the boundary conditions on a conductor

AI Thread Summary
The discussion centers on a contradiction in boundary conditions for potential V at r=R in a problem involving a charged metal sphere in an electric field. The initial equations suggest that B_l = -A_l R^{2l+1} and B_l = A_l R^{2l+1}, which conflict. Clarification is sought regarding the coefficients A and B, particularly in relation to their values inside and outside the sphere. The potential is continuous across the boundary, but the coefficients differ, especially for the l=0 solution. The conversation highlights the need for clearer context from the textbook to resolve these discrepancies.
bubblewrap
Messages
134
Reaction score
2
In the textbook (attached image) it says that the boundary condition is V=0 at r=R.
This creates a correlation that

##B_l=-A_l R^{2l+1}##

but the potential at any boundary is continuous so when we take this account, we get.

##B_l=A_l R^{2l+1}##

These two clearly contradict each other. I'd like to know why this contradiction occurred.

Many thanks.
 

Attachments

  • 20181029_013420.jpg
    20181029_013420.jpg
    14.8 KB · Views: 317
Physics news on Phys.org
See http://mathworld.wolfram.com/LaplacesEquationSphericalCoordinates.html
I think you are ignoring the possibility of an ## l=0 ## solution. ## \\ ## You then have a separate solution inside the sphere that says ## V=0 ##, that has both ## A ## and ## B =0 ##. ## \\ ## The coefficients of ## A ## and ## B ## inside the sphere are different from what they are outside. The potential ## V ## is continuous across the boundary, but that doesn't mean that each of ## A ## and ## B ## stay the same. ## \\ ## Your first equation is correct, but for this case (## r \geq R ##) you only have the ## l=0 ## term. I'm not sure how you came up with your second equation. ## \\ ## You really need to label the coefficients ## A_{l \, out} ##, ## B_{l \, out} ##, ## A_{l \, in} ##, and ## B_{l \, in} ##. ## \\ ## Edit: I looked at it a second time=I misread the problem. I thought ## V=0 ## everywhere at ## r=R ## . Let me try again... It would help if you could show us the previous page, because otherwise it is a guessing game of what we are trying to solve.
 
Last edited:
BvU said:
Does the textbook also tell us what A and B are ?

I can't really see, the picture is so vague :mad:
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/guidelines-for-students-and-helpers.686781/

How so ? can you elaborate ?

Since the term ##r^{l}## diverges as r>>R, it is not considered at r>R, similar logic was also applied for ##r^{-l-1}## for the case inside the sphere.

Since both terms should have the same value at r=R (since the potential is continuous at any boundary) the terms ##A_l R^{l}## and ##B_l R^{-l-1}## should have the same value, hence the correlation mentioned above.

However, if we consider the potential inside (and on the surface) of the potential to be 0 and we plug r=R into the original equation ##A_l R^{l}+B_l R^{-l-1}=0## the rest of the boundary condition would be the same, which means we would get two different answers for the boundary condition that doesn't seem to contradict each other.
 
Charles Link said:
See http://mathworld.wolfram.com/LaplacesEquationSphericalCoordinates.html
I think you are ignoring the possibility of an ## l=0 ## solution. ## \\ ## You then have a separate solution inside the sphere that says ## V=0 ##, that has both ## A ## and ## B =0 ##. ## \\ ## The coefficients of ## A ## and ## B ## inside the sphere are different from what they are outside. The potential ## V ## is continuous across the boundary, but that doesn't mean that each of ## A ## and ## B ## stay the same. ## \\ ## Your first equation is correct, but for this case (## r \geq R ##) you only have the ## l=0 ## term. I'm not sure how you came up with your second equation. ## \\ ## You really need to label the coefficients ## A_{l \, out} ##, ## B_{l \, out} ##, ## A_{l \, in} ##, and ## B_{l \, in} ##. ## \\ ## Edit: I looked at it a second time=I misread the problem. I thought ## V=0 ## everywhere at ## r=R ## . Let me try again... It would help if you could show us the previous page, because otherwise it is a guessing game of what we are trying to solve.

But in the textbook it said that there are no terms ## A_{l \, out} ## and ## B_{l \, in} ##, since they diverge at the points relevant to them.
 
bubblewrap said:
But in the textbook it said that there are no terms ## A_{l \, out} ## and ## B_{l \, in} ##, since they diverge at the points relevant to them.
I can believe that, but if I don't see the previous page, I don't know exactly what the problem consists of. ## \\ ## e.g. What is the constant ## C ##? I shouldn't need to guess what they are referring to.
 
Charles Link said:
I can believe that, but if I don't see the previous page, I don't know exactly what the problem consists of. ## \\ ## e.g. What is the constant ## C ##? I shouldn't need to guess what they are referring to.

The constant is from the equation

##V=-E_0 z+C## for ##r>>R##

And the question was for a uncharged metal sphere of radius R that was placed in a electric field ##E_0## (which was taken to be the direction of z), find the potential outside the metal sphere. (Since the induced charges inside the sphere ball would distort the field/potential around it)
 
You might want to try a different source and compare what they both get for the same problem. The other source may also have an improved explanation. Try https://nptel.ac.in/courses/115101005/downloads/lectures-doc/Lecture-16.pdf
At the top of page 2 he talks about ## B_o =0 ## unless there is a charge on the sphere, as he mentions in the last sentence at the bottom of page 2.
 
Last edited:
Back
Top