Confused about the different types of line integrals

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The discussion revolves around understanding the differences between two types of line integrals, specifically comparing the integrals \(\int_{a}^{b} f(r(t)) dt\) and \(\int_{a}^{b} F(r(t)) (dr/dt)dt\), where \(F\) is a vector function. Participants are exploring the implications of integrating with respect to \(dt\) versus incorporating the derivative \(dr/dt\) in the second integral.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are questioning the definitions and roles of the functions involved, particularly the meaning of \(r\) and how it relates to the integrals. There is an exploration of whether the two integrals are fundamentally similar or different, and what the implications of using \(dr/dt\) are in the context of vector functions.

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Some participants have offered clarifications regarding the evaluation of the second integral and its representation, suggesting that it may help alleviate confusion. There is an ongoing examination of the nature of the functions involved, but no consensus has been reached on the overall understanding of the differences between the two integrals.

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Participants are considering the standard definitions of vector functions and the implications of differentiating \(dr\). There is acknowledgment of potential misunderstandings due to the complexity of the topic and the late hour of discussion.

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what's the difference between
[tex]\int_{a}^{b} f(r(t)) dt[/tex]
and
[tex]\int_{a}^{b} F(r(t)) (dr/dt)dt[/tex]?
(where F is a vector function)

because when I'm calculating those two types of questions, the first question just uses dt to integrate the line integral but in the 2nd question, i have to differentiate dr?
 
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asdf1 said:
what's the difference between
[tex]\int_{a}^{b} f(r(t)) dt[/tex]
and
[tex]\int_{a}^{b} F(r(t)) (dr/dt)dt[/tex]?
(where F is a vector function)

because when I'm calculating those two types of questions, the first question just uses dt to integrate the line integral but in the 2nd question, i have to differentiate dr?

What is r though? Doesn't r have a fairly standard definition ( if we're talking about the vector) as r = (x, y, z) = (x(t), y(t), z(t)) the dr is (dx, dy, dz) Maybe I;ve got it wrong but its late so I apologize if this isn't correct, but they at least SEEM to be more or less the same thing.
 
From what I know, I would say that the second integral is supposed to be evaluated with respect to t. A more conventional way of writing the second integral is:

[tex] \int\limits_a^c {F\left( {r\left( t \right)} \right)} \bullet r'\left( t \right)dt[/tex]

Assuming that F and r are vector functions of t. That representation should clear up some confusion. Also, the (dr/dt) or r'(t) is essentially just some vector. So when it is 'dotted' with F(r(t)), which is another vector, your integrand is just a scalar function.
 
i think that the 1st "f" is only a scalar function...
 

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