Confused by the relationship of work and kinetic energy

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between work and kinetic energy, specifically addressing the equation for work and its connection to the kinetic energy formula. Participants explore the implications of integrating equations and the significance of the factor of 1/2 in the kinetic energy expression.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the equation for work as W = F * s and expresses confusion about the relationship between work and kinetic energy, particularly regarding the missing factor of 1/2 in the kinetic energy equation Ekin = 1/2 * m * v2.
  • Another participant explains that the factor of 1/2 arises from the rules of integration, relating it to the area under a curve in graphical representations.
  • A different participant notes that the variable v in the equations for work and kinetic energy represents different quantities, with v in Ekin being the final speed and the speed in the work equation being variable during the application of work.
  • One participant emphasizes that dimensional analysis is distinct from integration and points out that the factor of 1/2 comes from the equation s = 1/2at² under constant acceleration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the equations and the role of the factor of 1/2, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants assume constant acceleration in their discussions, and there are references to initial conditions that may affect the equations presented.

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So the equation for work is W = F * s
F = m * a, so W = m * a * s
Transferring this to units of measurement gives us: J = kg * m * s-2 * m
Or simplified: J = kg * m2 * s-2
Transferring back to units of quantity: W = m * v2
How can that be correct? Obviously Ekin = 1/2 * m * v2. Where did that 1/2 go? Or is W =/= Ekin? Am I making some other kind of mistake?
 
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Oleiv said:
Where did that 1/2 go?
It's the rules of Integration. Integrate xdx and you get x2/2
Graphically, it's the area of the v/t triangle or the F/x triangle etc etc.
 
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Oleiv said:
So the equation for work is W = F * s
F = m * a, so W = m * a * s
Transferring this to units of measurement gives us: J = kg * m * s-2 * m
Or simplified: J = kg * m2 * s-2
Transferring back to units of quantity: W = m * v2
How can that be correct? Obviously Ekin = 1/2 * m * v2. Where did that 1/2 go? Or is W =/= Ekin? Am I making some other kind of mistake?

The ##\frac12## is effectively a conversion factor based on your choice of units. In any case, ##\frac12## is dimensionless and doesn't affect the dimensions or units in an equation.

For example, the area of a circle is ##A = \pi r^2##. Both quantities have dimensions of ##L^2## or SI units of ##m^2##. ##\pi## is a dimensionless, unit-less factor based on the geometry of the circle.
 
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Oleiv said:
Transferring back to units of quantity: W = m * v2
How can that be correct? Obviously Ekin = 1/2 * m * v2. Where did that 1/2 go? Or is W =/= Ekin? Am I making some other kind of mistake?
To add a somewhat more physical explanation to the very good posts of @sophiecentaur and @PeroK, when you write the ##v## in the two equations is not the same. In ##E_\mathrm{kin}##, it is the final speed, when the work has stopped, while in the equation for work, the speed will change while work is applied. In the case of constant acceleration, we can write ##W = m \langle v \rangle^2 = mv_f^2/2##, with ##\langle v \rangle## the average speed while the work is applied.

Edit: this assumes also that the speed was initially 0. Otherwise, we would have to write the equations in terms of ##\Delta v## and ##\Delta E_\mathrm{kin}##.
 
Oleiv said:
So the equation for work is W = F * s
F = m * a, so W = m * a * s
Transferring this to units of measurement gives us: J = kg * m * s-2 * m
Or simplified: J = kg * m2 * s-2
Transferring back to units of quantity: W = m * v2
How can that be correct? Obviously Ekin = 1/2 * m * v2. Where did that 1/2 go? Or is W =/= Ekin? Am I making some other kind of mistake?
Dimension analysis is not the same as doing integration (or algebra if you assume constant acceleration). That's the mistake.

At constant acceleration, s=1/2at2

That's where the 1/2 comes from.
 

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