Confusing regarding Kinematic Equations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of kinematic equations to solve a physics problem involving a water skier being pulled to a certain speed over a distance. Participants explore different methods to calculate acceleration and net force, expressing confusion about the appropriate equations to use and the values involved.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the equation v² = u² + 2ad to find acceleration and subsequently the net force, arriving at a value of 392 Newtons.
  • The same participant expresses confusion about using the equation x = x₀ + v₀t + 1/2(at²) and questions the validity of their calculations, particularly regarding the time variable.
  • Another participant questions the source of the time value of four seconds mentioned by the first participant.
  • A later reply corrects the time calculation to 0.65 seconds, but notes ongoing difficulty in applying the kinematic equations correctly.
  • One participant clarifies that the equation v = d/t is only applicable if the velocity is constant, which is not the case here due to the constant acceleration of the skier.
  • There is a suggestion to choose the most appropriate equation based on the known information, highlighting the lack of time data for certain equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express confusion and disagreement regarding the appropriate kinematic equations to use, the values for time, and the implications of constant versus variable velocity. No consensus is reached on the correct approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note missing assumptions regarding time and the conditions under which certain equations apply, indicating a need for clarity on the definitions and parameters involved in the problem.

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"A 93kg water skier floating in a lake is pulled from rest to a speed of 13 m/s in a distance of 20m. What is the net force exerted on the skier, assuming his velocity is constant.

So I know I have to find the force I'm going to need acceleration, and to find it I'll need to use a kinematic equation. So this is where the confusion comes in.

The correct way to do it is v^2= U^2 + 2ad, and isolate the a. The answer to this would be 4.22 m/s^2. Then we can find the force by plugging it in, f=(4.22)(93)= 392 Newtons

But why couldn't I use this kinematic equation and solve for a?

x=x0 + v0t + 1/2(a)t^2)
20=0+0+1/2(a)(16)
20=8a
20/8 = a

Sorry if this seems like a dumb question but I think all the different letters and their meanings are getting a little confusing.

Or this one, acceleration = delta V / Delta T, couldn't you just do 13-0 / 4-0? so its 13/4?
 
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where'd you get the four seconds from?
 
SHISHKABOB said:
where'd you get the four seconds from?

Mmm, I think I accidentally put 4 seconds because I was reading something else. V= D/T, = T=D/V which is .65 seconds. But even then I couldn't solve for the equation in the other kinematic equation. Am I totally plugging in the wrong numbers into the x= Vsub0T + Xsub0 + 1/2(a)(t^2)?
 
well, v = d/t only if the velocity is constant, and in this case the velocity is not constant, the guy is under a constant acceleration

so basically, you want to take what information you know, and pick the equation that works best with that stuff

the x = x0 + v0t + (1/2)at^2 equation doesn't work for this given set of values because we don't have the time
 

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