Confusion about the Killing form for A1

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The discussion revolves around the Killing form for the Lie algebra A1, exploring its properties, implications, and relationships with Dynkin diagrams and Coxeter labels. Participants delve into the mathematical structure of A1, its representation, and the implications of working over different fields, particularly the complex numbers.

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  • One participant describes the structure of the Lie algebra A1 and its Killing form, questioning the implications of working over the complex numbers versus the reals.
  • Concerns are raised about the non-degeneracy of the Killing form and its representation in different bases, particularly regarding the preservation of structure factors.
  • Another participant discusses the isomorphism between SL(2, \mathbb{C}) and A1, noting the apparent contradiction with the structure of SU(2) ⊕ SU(2) and the existence of proper ideals.
  • Clarification is sought on the notation \(\delta^{\alpha, -\beta}\) in the context of the Killing form, with speculation about its meaning as either a Kronecker delta or a block matrix.
  • One participant reflects on their understanding of the notation and its implications in a simplified context.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the implications of the Killing form's properties and the relationships between different representations. There is no consensus on the interpretation of certain notations or the implications of the isomorphisms discussed.

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Participants note the complexity of the relationships between different representations and the potential for confusion arising from changes in basis and field of definition. The discussion highlights the nuanced understanding required in the study of Lie algebras and their forms.

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This is a long one if you have to follow all of my steps. If you are reasonably familiar with Killing forms then you can probably just skip to the three questions.

Okay, I'm on my latest project which is to get some idea about how Dynkin diagrams and Coxeter labels work. (How do you pronounce "Coxeter" anyway?) I haven't got quite that far, but I'm not too far from it. But I'm having problems working with the Killing form using A1 as an example. I'm going to let you all what I know, but I'm also going to skip some steps that I don't believe are relevant for convenience. If you need more, just let me know.

Okay. A1 is a simple real Lie algebra over the field of complex numbers. There are three elements with Lie brackets [math][ H, E_{\pm} ] = \pm 2~E_{\pm}[/math] and [math][ E_+ , E_- ] = H[/math]. Using [math]\left( \begin{matrix} H \\ E_+ \\E_- \end{matrix} \right )[/math] as the basis (and calling H --> 1, [math]E_+[/math] --> 2, and [math]E_-[/math] --> 3 for ease of writing) we obtain the structure factors [math]f^{23}_{~~~~1} = -f^{32}_{~~~~1} = 1[/math] and [math]f^{12}_{~~~~2} = -f^{21}_{~~~~2} = - f^{13}_{~~~~3} = f^{31}_{~~~~3} = 2[/math].

The adjoint representation is simple to derive from here using [math]\left ( R_{ad} \left ( T^a \right ) \right )_b^{~c} = f^{ac}_{~~~~b}[/math]. I don't see the need to list them explicitly, so I'll move on.

From the structure factors we can write the Killing form for A1 by use of the formula: [math]\kappa ^{ab} = \frac{1}{I_{ad}} \left ( f^{ae}_{~~~~c} ~ f^{bc}_{~~~~e} \right )[/math] (summation convention implied.) [math]I_{ad}[/math] is the Dynkin index of the adjoint representation, whatever that means. After a bit of work the Killing form for A1 is
[math]\kappa = \frac{1}{I_{ad}} \left ( \begin{matrix} 8 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 &4 \\ 0 & 4 & 0 \end{matrix} \right )[/math]

At this point I start coming into my first question.
Since for any simple Lie algebra over [math]\mathbb{R}[/math], [math]\kappa[/math] is non-degenerate, an appropriate choice of basis brings [math]\kappa[/math] to the Canonical diagonal form:
[math]\left ( \begin{matrix} 1_p & 0 \\ 0 & -1_q \end{matrix} \right )[/math]
Question: I am working over the field of complex numbers, not the reals. As it happens the Killing form I have is non-degenerate and can be brought into the mentioned form. Is this chance or am I misinterpreting what they mean by "over [math]\mathbb{R}[/math]?"

Question: Splitting the above (adjoint representation) Killing form into eigenvectors/values I can write it in the form given in the quote. But when I rewrite the basis this way the resulting algebra no longer has the same structure factors. I would have thought that any representation of the Lie algebra would always have the same structure factors? Why would changing the basis change the structure factors?

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Now I'm going to list a few things that are simple enough to calculate. I'll give you the blow by blow and get to my final question.

The (only) Cartan subalgebra of A1 is [math]g_0 = \{ H \}[/math], with [math]r = rank(A1) = dim(g_0) = 1[/math]. This means we can split the adjoint representation of A1 into a direct sum of one dimensional representations [math]g \leadsto \bigoplus _{\alpha} g^{\alpha}[/math] where [math]g^{\alpha} = \{ x \in A1 ~ | ~ ad_{H}(x) = \alpha (H) \cdot x \} = g_0 \oplus g^2 \oplus g^{-2}[/math]

and [math][ H, E^{\alpha} ] = \alpha E^{\alpha}[/math]. From the Lie brackets we get two values of [math]\alpha[/math] and thus we have the root system (of A1 over [math]g_0[/math]) [math]\Phi = \left ( \begin{matrix} 2 \\ -2 \end{matrix} \right )[/math]. This gives (finally!) the Cartan-Weyl basis of A1: [math]\beta = \{ H \cup \{E^2, ~E^{-2} \} \}[/math]. ([math]E^2 = E_+, ~E^{-2} = E_-[/math]). This is actually the basis I started with which makes the next part very confusing to me.

Finally we get to the last question. My text says that the Killing form in the Cartan-Weyl basis can be written as (after a normalization of the basis)
[math]\kappa = \frac{1}{I_{ad}} \left ( \begin{matrix} 1 & 0 \\ 0 & \delta ^{\alpha, ~-\beta} \end{matrix} \right )[/math]

Question: What the heck is the [math]\delta ^{\alpha, -\beta}[/math] supposed to be? For A1 I can intuit [math]\alpha = 2 \text{ and } -\beta = -(-2) = 2[/math] from the root system so [math]\kappa[/math] in the Cartan-Weyl basis is just the 3x3 identity matrix. but the Cartan-Weyl basis is just the basis I used at the beginning and the Killing form of the adjoint representation is not the same as the identity, even looking at an appropriate normalization of the basis. It looks more like the the Killing form in the quote...it has a signature of ++-. Where did I go wrong?

-Dan
 
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Okay, let's break this up a little.

My text says that [math]SL(2, \mathbb{C})[/math] is isomorphic to [math]A_1[/math]. But by a choice of basis we find that [math]SL(2, \mathbb{C} )[/math] is isomorphic to [math]SU(2) \oplus SU(2)[/math]. This means that [math]A_1[/math] is isomorphic to [math]SU(2) \oplus SU(2)[/math]. The problem I'm having is this: [math]A_1[/math] has no proper ideals but [math]SU(2) \oplus SU(2)[/math] seems to have one: [math]1 \oplus SU(2)[/math]. So how can [math]A_1[/math] be isomorphic to [math]SU(2) \oplus SU(2)[/math]?

-Dan
 
Okay, I've gotten somewhere anyway. [math]SL(2, \mathbb{C} )[/math] is isomorphic to [math]SU(2) \oplus SU(2)[/math] because [math]SL(2, \mathbb{C} )[/math] is the complexification of two real Lie algebras. And [math]1 \oplus SU(2)[/math] is a subalgegra, not an ideal so that problem is fixed.

My next level of confusion is the notation [math]\delta ^{\alpha, -\beta}[/math] appearing in the matrix in the OP near the bottom. Is this a Kronecker delta of some kind? Or is [math]\delta ^{\alpha, -\beta}[/math] meant to represent a block matrix?

-Dan
 
I'm thinking too hard. In 3D:

[math]\delta ^{\alpha, -\beta} = \left ( \begin{matrix} 0 & 0 & 1 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 1 & 0 & 0 \end{matrix} \right )[/math]

I still have one question left in this thread but I'm going open a new one on the topic.

-Dan
 

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