Confusion on Concept of Electric Potentials/Potential Energy

In summary, there are three key situations that can be confusing when dealing with electric potentials and potential energy. The first involves the potential energy of an electron between two protons, which is twice the value due to the assumption that the potential is zero at infinity. The second situation involves the natural tendency for particles to move towards lower potentials, such as the electron moving towards the proton. Finally, calculating the potential at a point charge requires a constant electric field and at the atomic scale, the electron is a point particle with no radius. These situations can be better understood by considering the effects of potential energy and electric fields.
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I am a bit confused about electric potentials and potential energy. There are three key situations that are giving me trouble:

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If an electron is midway between to protons, the potential energy is -ke2/r for both, and thus the total electric potential energy is twice that value. I see how to get this from the formulas, and I realize that potential energy is not a vector quantity but a scalar, but it still boggles my mind that the electron would have potential energy. What does it have the potential to do? The electric field cancels at that point and there should be no net force, right?

2) Conversely, if the electron were midway in between a proton and an electron, the sum of the two potential energies would equal zero, yet the electron would quickly move toward the proton. Why is this, because the electron will certainly move? Does this have something to do with the fact that we can choose how to define were V=0 is? It is just strange because both charges on either end of the electron in the center are trying to get it to do the same thing (move to the proton).

3) Finally, if we have a point charge that creates a potential difference in space, if you know the electric field, you can calculate using V=Ed. But say you don't, and that you define V=0 at infinity. To me that makes sense because V=kq/r, and if r tends to infinity, V tends to zero. But what happens as r approaches zero. It seems like V would become infinite, which I don't believe it does. Is this because the point charge has a finite radius in actuality, or is there something else that I am missing?

Any help or guidance would be much appreciated-- thank you!
 
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Remember, the potential energy of a point particle given by [itex]U = {{kq_1 q_2 }\over{r}}[/itex] is with the assumption that the potential energy is 0 at infinity. When you have a non-zero (and negative, as you can see) potential energy, even though there is no net force acting on the electron, work must be done in order to bring that electron out to infinity, where the 0 potential was initially set. If you tried to pull the electron out to infinity, you would be forced to move through points where the attractive force by the two protons was no longer 0 and work must be done to pull the electron at.

The second situation involves the fact that particles always want to move towards lower potentials. Moving towards the proton would put the electron into a lower potential. This is natural and doesn't involve an external force pulling the electron out to infinity as in the first example. In fact, in the first example, again, the electron wants to move to an area of lower potential and that point exactly between the two protons is not the lowest potential the electron can reach. Nudging it in either direction will send the electron towards the proton you nudge it to.

For the third situation, you can only find the potential using [itex]V = E\Delta x[/itex] for constant electric fields (which a point-charge is not as it varies as 1/r). Also, yes, as [itex] r \to 0[/itex], the potential goes to infinity. However, if you don't deal with the atomic scale, your charged object always has a finite radius that you can't cross. When dealing with the atomic scale, the electron is a genuine point-particle with no radius. However, the proton does have a radius. That's actually a moot point, though, because at the atomic scale, you will run into problems modeling say, a Hydrogen atom as a point electron orbiting a proton, even with a finite radius. This requires a quantum mechanical treatment.
 

1. What is the difference between electric potentials and potential energy?

Electric potentials refer to the electric potential energy per unit charge at a specific point in an electric field. It is a scalar quantity that determines the amount of work required to move a unit charge from a reference point to that specific point. On the other hand, potential energy is the energy an object possesses due to its position or configuration in an electric field. It is a vector quantity and is equal to the work done in moving a charge from one point to another in an electric field.

2. How are electric potentials and potential energy related?

Electric potentials and potential energy are related through the equation V = PE/q, where V is the electric potential, PE is the potential energy, and q is the charge. This means that the electric potential is directly proportional to the potential energy and inversely proportional to the charge. As the potential energy increases, the electric potential also increases, and vice versa.

3. What is the unit of measurement for electric potentials and potential energy?

The unit of measurement for electric potential is volts (V), while the unit for potential energy is joules (J). These units are derived from the fundamental units of charge (C), distance (m), and energy (J), as 1 V = 1 J/C.

4. Can electric potentials and potential energy be negative?

Yes, both electric potentials and potential energy can be negative. A negative electric potential means that the work required to move a unit charge from a reference point to that specific point is negative, indicating that the electric field is doing work on the charge. Similarly, a negative potential energy means that the object has less energy at its current position compared to its reference position.

5. How does the distance between two charges affect electric potentials and potential energy?

The electric potential and potential energy between two charges are inversely proportional to the distance between them. As the distance between the charges increases, the electric potential and potential energy decrease, and vice versa. This is because the electric field weakens with distance, resulting in less work being done on a charge as it moves from one point to another.

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