Congruence: Solving Let p be a Prime Number

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The discussion revolves around the congruence equation \( x^d \equiv 1 \mod p \), where \( p \) is a prime number and \( d \) is a divisor of \( p-1 \). Participants explore the number of solutions to this equation, considering various values of \( p \) and \( d \). The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of number theory concepts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the equation may not have a solution, while others suggest there could be at most \( d \), exactly \( d \), or at least \( d \) incongruent solutions.
  • One participant suggests testing with specific values, such as \( p=5 \) and \( d=1, 2, 4 \), to illustrate potential solutions.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of expressing solutions in modulo \( p \) and notes that superfluous solutions should be excluded.
  • There is a suggestion that using group theory could simplify the understanding of the problem, particularly regarding the behavior of numbers coprime to \( p \).
  • One participant reflects on their earlier mistake regarding the range of \( x \) and acknowledges that \( x \) must be strictly less than \( p \).
  • A later reply discusses whether the expression \( 2^{(p-1)/d} \) implies the generation of additional values for \( x \), leading to the conclusion that \( x \) can be at least \( d \) but potentially more.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the number of solutions to the congruence equation, with no consensus reached on whether it is at most, exactly, or at least \( d \) incongruent solutions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the various approaches and examples provided.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their understanding of number theory, which may affect their reasoning. There are also unresolved mathematical steps regarding the implications of the congruence and the behavior of solutions.

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Let p be a prime number and d / p-1 .

Then which of the following statements about the congruence?
x ^d = 1( mod p) is / are correct :
1. It does not have a solution
2 atmost d incongurent solutions
3 exactly d incongruent solutions
4 aleast d incongruent solutions.
 
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Hi Bhatia! :smile:

What do you think? And why?

(maybe try to work it out for a concrete example of p and d? Like p=11 and d=5?)
 
micromass said:
Hi Bhatia! :smile:

What do you think? And why?

(maybe try to work it out for a concrete example of p and d? Like p=11 and d=5?)

Thanks for your reply :smile:

Going by your idea

Let p= 5, then since d / p-1 then I guess we have d= 1, 2, 4...then solving x^ d = 1 (mod 5)

for d=1, x=1
for d=2, x= 4, 6,9,11,14, ...
for d=4, x= 2, 3,4,6, 7 ...

So I am thinking atleast d...

But not sure...I did not study number theory at graduation level.
 
Bhatia said:
Thanks for your reply :smile:

Going by your idea

Let p= 5, then since d / p-1 then I guess we have d= 1, 2, 4...then solving x^ d = 1 (mod 5)

for d=1, x=1
for d=2, x= 4, 6,9,11,14, ...
for d=4, x= 2, 3,4,6, 7 ...

You're working (mod 5) here, so I suggest that you express the x also in (mod 5). (thus x can be 0,1,2,3 or 4).
When I do this, I get

for d=1: x=1
for d=2: x=1,4
for d=4: x=1,2,3,4

Solutions like 9 are superfluous here, since 9=4 (mod 5).

So I am thinking atleast d...

This is certainly correct, but the above example suggest exactly d!

To prove this consider a number a coprime with p (for example take a=2 when p is odd). Then what can you say about

a^{\frac{p-1}{d}}By the way, do you know some group theory? It would make it a lot easier...
 
micromass said:
You're working (mod 5) here, so I suggest that you express the x also in (mod 5). (thus x can be 0,1,2,3 or 4).
When I do this, I get

for d=1: x=1
for d=2: x=1,4
for d=4: x=1,2,3,4

Solutions like 9 are superfluous here, since 9=4 (mod 5).

This is certainly correct, but the above example suggest exactly d!

To prove this consider a number a coprime with p (for example take a=2 when p is odd). Then what can you say about

a^{\frac{p-1}{d}}By the way, do you know some group theory? It would make it a lot easier...
Thank you so much...

I agree with this...I realized my mistake x should be strictly less than p.

Taking p to be odd (as suggested) p= 5 , then d =1, 2, 3, 4.

Does 2 ^ (p-1)/d imply the following we get:

for d=1, 2^ 4 = 16 works for d=1 that is , 16= 1 (mod 5).
for d=2, 2 ^ 2= 4 works for d=2 that is, 4^2 = 1( mod 5)
for d= 4, 2 ^ 1 =2 works for d =4, that is , 2^ 4 = 1 (mod 5).

Does this mean that we can generate other values of x ( above we get x= 16)...so x has to be at least d but can be more than d as well.

Please help !
 
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9 is not prime.
 
Thanks, Yuqing.
 

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