Connecting Op-Amps: Is Vcc- to Ground OK?

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The discussion revolves around the appropriate connection of the Vcc- pin of an operational amplifier (op-amp) in a unity gain configuration, specifically whether it is acceptable to connect Vcc- to ground when Vcc+ is connected to +5V. The context includes practical application with an Arduino development board.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that connecting Vcc- to ground should be acceptable as long as only positive voltages are needed, indicating an output range of ~5V to 0V.
  • Another participant warns that standard op-amps like the LM741 and TL084 require headroom at their inputs and outputs and may not function correctly with a Vcc- connected to ground. They recommend checking the datasheet for the specific op-amp being used.
  • It is mentioned that there are advanced CMOS op-amps that can operate near the voltage rails, which could be suitable for this configuration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the suitability of connecting Vcc- to ground. While some indicate it may work for positive voltages, others caution against it without considering the specific op-amp characteristics.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependency on the specific op-amp model being used, as well as the need for headroom at the inputs and outputs, which may not be met by all op-amps.

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Hello,

I am sure this is a dumb question, but I am not sure about the answer, so hopefully someone can help me.

I am using an op-amp in a unity gain configuration between a voltage divider and an Arduino development board. Now, I will be connecting the Vcc+ to +5V, but is it okay to connect the Vcc- pin to ground, or would this cause me any issues?

Thanks ina advance.

Seán
 
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Should be ok as long as all you need is positive voltages. Your output range will be ~5V to 0V.
 
Hello.

Thanks for the reply.

Yea, all I need is positive voltages. So, if it is okay to connect it up like that, I guess something else is screwing up my results.

Well, at least I have crossed one thing off my list.

Thanks again.

Seán
 
SMOF said:
Hello,

I am sure this is a dumb question, but I am not sure about the answer, so hopefully someone can help me.

I am using an op-amp in a unity gain configuration between a voltage divider and an Arduino development board. Now, I will be connecting the Vcc+ to +5V, but is it okay to connect the Vcc- pin to ground, or would this cause me any issues?

Thanks ina advance.

Seán

You need to use special opamps to run between just 5V and 0V. Simple jellybean opamps like the LM741 and TL084 need several volts of headroom at their inputs and outputs, with respect to the voltage rails. Check the datasheet for the opamp you plan to use.

There are more advanced CMOS opamps that can have their inputs and outputs operate near the rails. You can search at Maxim or National Semiconductor's websites to find some examples. Just look for "rail to rail opamp".
 
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Hello,

Thats great, thanks for that!

Seán
 

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