Conservation of Angular Momentum & Energy question

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a streetcar transitioning from a larger circular track to a smaller one, focusing on the implications for speed and the role of forces such as normal force and conservation laws.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the normal force and work done on the train, questioning whether the normal force does work during the transition between tracks. There is also uncertainty about the conservation of momentum and energy in this context.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the role of the normal force and its direction relative to the train's velocity. There is a recognition of differing views on the conservation of energy and momentum, with no clear consensus yet reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference guidance from a teacher regarding the normal force and its effects, indicating potential constraints in understanding the problem fully. There is also mention of conflicting information found online about energy conservation.

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Question:
A streetcar is freely coasting (no friction) around a large circular track. It is then switched to a small circular track. When coasting on the smaller circle its speed is:

a) greater
b) less
c) unchanged

Relevant
Formulas:

w = v/r
KE = 1/2mv2

My teacher said the normal force from the track on the train doing work as the train switches from the larger to the smaller circle and something about how the conservation of momentum is not valid in this situation. And when I looked this question up online, they saw that energy is conserved. However, I'm still confused on how to solve this problem and what the answer is (I think it's unchanged?).
 
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15ongm said:
My teacher said the normal force from the track on the train doing work as the train switches from the larger to the smaller circle
Does the force from the track do work on the train? That's key.
 
Doc Al said:
Does the force from the track do work on the train? That's key.
I think so? I remember my teacher saying something how the normal force does work on the train but I'm confused as to how it does.
 
15ongm said:
I think so? I remember my teacher saying something how the normal force does work on the train but I'm confused as to how it does.
You are right to question it. What direction will the force from the rails be in, in relation to the direction of the train's velocity?
 

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