Conservation of Mechanical Energy and Momentum in total inelastic collisions?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the conservation of mechanical energy and momentum in total inelastic collisions, using the example of a bullet embedding itself in a block. Participants explore the implications of these conservation laws, the nature of energy transformation during collisions, and seek clarification on related concepts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of using conservation equations for total inelastic collisions and seeks clarity on their application.
  • Another participant notes that while energy is conserved, specific forms of energy, such as kinetic energy, are not conserved in inelastic collisions, as they transform into other forms like heat.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the concept of energy conservation, particularly regarding the distinction between internal and external energy systems during inelastic collisions.
  • It is mentioned that the heat generated from the collision represents kinetic energy at the molecular level, but it is not classified as mechanical energy.
  • One participant acknowledges their struggle with physics terminology and seeks further guidance and information.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the conservation of momentum in inelastic collisions, while there is some disagreement and confusion regarding the conservation of mechanical energy and the transformation of energy forms.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions of internal and external systems and the implications of energy transformations during collisions. There are unresolved questions regarding the application of conservation laws in different contexts.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and individuals seeking to understand the principles of conservation laws in physics, particularly in the context of collisions and energy transformations.

REGNUM
Messages
4
Reaction score
0
Conservation of Mechanical Energy and Momentum in total inelastic collisions?

In an inelastic collision, such as a bullet getting stuck in a block hanging on a string, has two types of conservations?

-Total Inelastic Collisision Conservations:
(1) Conservation of Mechanical Energy: Uo+Po = U + P

(2) Conservation of Total Momentum: (m_1)(v_1a) = (m_1 + m_2)*v_b

-Questions:
1. Every time (or majority of the time) I am working with a total inelastic collision problem, must I use these two equations or at least consider them first.
2. I read that the conservation of energy is not conserved in total inelastic collisions, then how is it that the total kinetic energy is?
3. How is the conservation of total momentum conserved? Is it by taking into the account the initial momentum of the objects before the collision and the momentum of the objects as they are stuck together? I don't know if I am asking this right. I just want more insight into collisions inelastic/elastic.
 
Physics news on Phys.org


Energy is conserved, but specific forms of it need not be as they can be converted to other forms. In an inelastic collision, some kinetic energy is converted to something else, usually heat.
Momentum is conserved - it takes no form other than a kinetic one.
"Instantaneously", the momentum of the bullet becomes shared between the bullet and the block, but subsequently some will pass to the string etc.
 


I understand the concept of conservation of energy: that it can neither, created nor destroyed...thus in the case of the collision that it has to go to some other system if its not in our system of interest such as the collision itself (thus energy leaving our system in the form of heat). The conversion of energy to other forms, such as heat, when their is an inelastic collision, is this an internal energy of a system (what's the difference between in an external- vs internal- system)? I'm having a hard time relating it to real world situations...
 


The bullet and block would become hot. This is still a form of kinetic energy in reality, but it's now the random jiggling of molecules. This is not considered mechanical energy since it is not easily used for mechanical purposes.
 


Ok, thanks for talking physics with me...I need to get this Physics jargon down cus I'm struggling with this. All tips and info help at this point, so thanks again.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K
  • · Replies 25 ·
Replies
25
Views
4K
  • · Replies 53 ·
2
Replies
53
Views
5K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K