Conservation of Momentum in a 2D Collision

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The problem involves a two-dimensional collision between two masses, m1 and m2, with specified initial velocities. The first mass's final velocity is given, and the discussion includes determining the final velocity of the second mass, assessing the elasticity of the collision, and exploring a subsequent interaction with a third mass.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of momentum and kinetic energy to find unknown velocities and assess collision types. Questions arise regarding the notation used for velocity components and the implications of missing information for future interactions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made attempts to calculate the final velocity of the second mass and assess the nature of the collision. Others are seeking clarification on notation and exploring the implications of the collision dynamics, particularly regarding future interactions and paths of the masses involved.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of information regarding the state of the second mass after the initial collision, which participants note as a challenge in applying conservation principles effectively. The discussion also highlights the need to consider the time elapsed after the initial collision when analyzing subsequent interactions.

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Homework Statement



Two masses, m1 = 4 kg and m2 = 12 kg, have initial velocities of v1i = 28 m/s [+x 35 +y] and v2i = [-y 60 +x]. If the first mass has a final velocity of v1f = 18 m/s [-y 40 +x], find:

a). The final velocity of m2.
b). Whether or not the collision can be said to be elastic.
c). If a thirst mass, m3 = 8 kg with an initial velocity of v3i = 45 m/s [+x 75 +y], were to strike the 1st mass 5 sec after the initial collision took place, will the first 2 masses ever collide again, and if so, where? Justify your answer. (Assume that this collision is elastic).


Homework Equations



P = mv
Pi = Pf
Eki = Ekf


The Attempt at a Solution



a). Using Pi = Pf, I got the velocity of m2 to be 16 m/s [+x 11 +y].

b). The answer I got was that collision is inelastic because,
Eki != Ekf
L.S = 2744 J
R.S = 2184 J
Since L.S is not equal to R.S the collision isn't elastic.

c). Here's the problem. They haven't given any information as to what happens after the collision so I don't know how to use Pi = Pf or Eki = Ekf here. Anybody have any pointers on how to solve this?
 
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syntax_error said:
have initial velocities of v1i = 28 m/s [+x 35 +y] and v2i = [-y 60 +x].
I don't understand your notation. Can you explain what [+x 35 +y] and [-y 60 +x] mean?

c). Here's the problem. They haven't given any information as to what happens after the collision so I don't know how to use Pi = Pf or Eki = Ekf here. Anybody have any pointers on how to solve this?
First you'll need the velocity of the first mass after its collision with the third mass. To find that, you'll need to use both momentum and energy conservation.
 
[+x 35 +y] is basically the same as [East 35 North] and [-y 60 +x] is [South 60 East].

I found the velocity of the first mass using this equation,

V1f = (m1-m3/m1+m3)v1i + (2*m3/m1+m3)v2i

The answer came up to be 9 m/s [East 80 North]

What next?
 
Figure out where m2 is at this time (5 seconds after the first collision), then see if their paths intersect.
 

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