Conservation of momentum in relativistic disintegration

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The discussion revolves around calculating the final momentum of an atomic core resulting from a photon disintegrating into an electron and a positron. The user attempts to apply conservation of energy and momentum principles but ends up with a negative value for the momentum of the atomic core, indicating a potential error in their calculations. Other participants suggest that the issue likely stems from the initial equations used, particularly regarding the relationship between energy and momentum for massless particles. They emphasize that a negative momentum implies a negative energy, which signals a fundamental inconsistency in the user's approach. Clarification on variable names and equations is also requested to aid in resolving the confusion.
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Homework Statement


Hi everybody, I was studyng a photon disintegrating in one electron and one positron in the presence of a heavy atomic core; I want to find the final momentum of the atomic core

Homework Equations



Conservation of energy: Eγ=2me+Sqrt(Mn2+Pn2)
Conservation of momentum Pγ=Pn
Relation between the energy and momentum of a maseless particle Pγ=Eγ

The Attempt at a Solution


From the conservation of energy: (Eγ-2me)2=Mn2+Pn2; and since Pn=Eγ, operating after developing (Eγ-2me)2, I obtain Pn=4me-(Mn2/me). If I introduce the values in units of atomic mass, I obtain a negative value of Pn, the momentum of the atomic core.
Can anyone please tell me what am I doing wrong?
Thanks.
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Frank Einstein said:
I obtain Pn=4me-(Mn2/me).
I get a different equation. Please post your working.
 
haruspex said:
I get a different equation. Please post your working.
This is what I have calculated:

I start from Eγ=Pn and Eγ=2me+Sqrt[Mn^2+Pn^2]

Eγ-2me=Sqrt[Mn^2+Pn^2]

(Eγ-2me)^2=Mn^2+Pn^2

(Eγ)^2+4(me^2)-4meEγ=Mn^2+Pn^2. Then, (Eγ)^2 on the left and Pn^2 on the right cancel each other.

4me^2-4meEγ=Mn^2

4me^2-Mn^2=4meEγ=4mePn

Pn=(4me^2-Mn^2)/me=4me-(Mn^2)/me
 
Frank Einstein said:
4me^2-Mn^2=4meEγ=4mePn

Pn=(4me^2-Mn^2)/me=4me-(Mn^2)/me
Fine until the last step. However, correcting it will not fix your sign problem, so the error must be much earlier, in one of your initial equations. I am not a nuclear physicist, so cannot comment on those.
 
Frank Einstein said:
Relation between the energy and momentum of a massless particle Pγ=Eγ
To be more correct, in units where c=1 and dealing with massless particles, |P| = E. If you got a negative momentum then you must have had a negative energy. If you have a negative energy then something does not add up.

I am having a horrible time trying to decrypt the ASCII math in the original post without a cheat sheet for the variable names.
 
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